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Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
« on: November 11, 2018, 12:12:01 PM »
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  • Have women become too independent to have and enjoy a harmonious married life?  

    What do we mean by "independent" anyway?  

    What can women do to change this?  

    Is there anything men can do about it?  


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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2018, 01:25:02 PM »
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  • a.  Yes
    b.  Too independent means women don't seriously consider marriage in their 20s and then don't realize their options are limited until their mid-30s, when their appeal is mostly likely diminished.
    c.  Pray for humility.
    d.  No, Other than pray that God will convert women from feminism, even if they don't realize they are feminists.


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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2018, 02:50:00 PM »
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  • Have women become too independent to have and enjoy a harmonious married life?  

    What do we mean by "independent" anyway?  

    What can women do to change this?  

    Is there anything men can do about it?  
    Both men and women have been affected by modernism, and it has been so since The Fall..so what else can we do but pray for and support each other in this fight against the devil, the flesh and the world?
    Being a woman myself, it’s been unfortunate to see Traditional Catholic men treat their wife’s like slaves, who have no say in anything, and all in the name of combating the ‘feminist mentality’ in them, and in society. (Before someone freaks out on me, I am not saying they are all like this, it is just a tendency that some overcompensate to try and correct this problem)
    So of course there is a balance to this, and I believe that reading the lives of the Saints and The Holy Family is a good place to start for getting healthier ideas on living a truly Catholic married life.
    St Bridget of Sweden is one of my favorites by the way  :)

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2018, 05:45:19 PM »
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  • Being a woman myself, it’s been unfortunate to see Traditional Catholic men treat their wife’s like slaves, who have no say in anything, and all in the name of combating the ‘feminist mentality’ in them, and in society. (Before someone freaks out on me, I am not saying they are all like this, it is just a tendency that some overcompensate to try and correct this problem)

    I've heard this fear or complaint a thousand times on Trad fora (including some very liberal ones).

    How about we err on the side of women being too submissive, which wouldn't really cause any harm except to a single woman's pride, instead of erring on the side of too much "say", control or independence, which is actually against nature itself?

    If a woman is a doormat, at least her kids will get the idea that women are to be submissive. But if she is a feminist, it will ruin her kids. The marriage itself might not even survive, and the kids will certainly be much worse off.

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 08:42:47 PM »
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  • Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them. No one wants to be a “doormat”.


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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
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  • Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them. No one wants to be a “doormat”.
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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
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    Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them.
    False.  Listening and allowing yourself to be influenced by the jooish media and anti-catholic, anti-family, anti-God "psychological studies" creates feminists.

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 09:18:55 PM »
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    Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them.
    Young women nowadays (even teenagers) have feminist ideals and they haven't even been married, so your thesis is wrong.  Women nowadays don't become feminist AFTER marriage, they are ones LONG BEFORE marriage.


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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #8 on: November 11, 2018, 09:32:03 PM »
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  • Young women nowadays (even teenagers) have feminist ideals and they haven't even been married, so your thesis is wrong.  Women nowadays don't become feminist AFTER marriage, they are ones LONG BEFORE marriage.
    Did you even bother to think about the quote you're responding to with "so your thesis is wrong"???
    The quote said "over bearing men/husbands"
    Men could mean brothers fathers, uncles, neighbors, co-workers, priests, teachers, etc etc.
    This is the rash stupidity that women won't submit to.

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    This is the rash stupidity that women won't submit to.
    Can you give some examples?  It's in a woman's nature to submit, even if the conditions are harsh.  So if they do not submit, they are no longer acting like women, a fact which you are somehow upholding as a virtue.  Goes to show you are a closet feminist.

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2018, 11:39:40 PM »
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  • Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic  husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children  with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage? 
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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2018, 01:09:56 AM »
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  • A woman will submit if her husband is kind and loving. He doesn’t have double standards in behavior, or use his wife as only a copulation outlet, maid, and nanny. If a woman grows up watching men take advantage of her true nature, or her mothers, she will naturally think feminist thinking is the way to go. We are of course speaking of situations were she is taught verbally feminism is wrong. If actions don’t match the words it won’t stick. Husbands must be kind, gentle, helpful, emotional support, and lovers to their wives as well. It’s not just a one way street. Fathers should lead the example so their children don’t have to worry about feminist thinking...daughters, or sons.

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2018, 03:25:03 AM »
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  • Females inherited the fallen nature of Eve's disobedience and delusion (to become something that's not in her true capability). She disobeyed God's instructions not to eat of the Garden, and she thought she could have God's knowledge by eating of it. Eve was the first feminist. Females would rather marry the State and / or their careers because the State defends their disobedience to God and men by reprimanding any man who would try to oppose her, even when the opposition is righteous. The State assists women's rebellion against God and man. Women's careers are an affront to God's natural law, thus, their egotism and narcissism make them think of themselves higher and stronger than their true selves. They only thrive, materially, in an artificial world that's deliberately propped up to eclipse reality where families, societies and nations are led by strong men. Only strong men can defend Christ's Social Reign. This is why Catholic monarchies were targeted for eradication by Jєω revolutionaries. This is why seminaries were targeted by perverts against nature. This is why Jєωs pioneered feminism and gave women the "right" to vote, because a cascade of liberalism and humanism was sure to follow. Women voted subversives into office. Women in power and a morally bereft nation are easier to manipulate. The goal of the Jєω is to completely remove Jesus Christ from civilization. Women lack the intelligence to understand that they're pawns in this agenda.

    A woman's love of a man is best demonstrated by her obedience to him. If a woman lacks obedience to a man, she doesn't truly love him. She only loves what he can provide for her.

    Males inherited the fallen nature of Adam in naively putting too much trust into females and leaving them to their own faculties, instead of leading them, which inevitably results in the woman being corrupted and easily manipulated by evil. This happened when Adam left Eve alone, subsequently, Satan succeeded in sowing disobedience in her. Adam got suckered into trusting Eve's claim that it was fine to eat of the Garden. The number of times that men got suckered by women to do the wrong things must equal the number of stars in the cosmos.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
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  • Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic  husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children  with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage?
    So you've been spying on the people at your chapel and you know what goes on in their homes? And you believe that there are no Catholics left... except for you, right?

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    Re: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage?
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  • Females inherited the fallen nature of Eve's disobedience and delusion (to become something that's not in her true capability). She disobeyed God's instructions not to eat of the Garden, and she thought she could have God's knowledge by eating of it. Eve was the first feminist. Females would rather marry the State and / or their careers because the State defends their disobedience to God and men by reprimanding any man who would try to oppose her, even when the opposition is righteous. The State assists women's rebellion against God and man. Women's careers are an affront to God's natural law, thus, their egotism and narcissism make them think of themselves higher and stronger than their true selves. They only thrive, materially, in an artificial world that's deliberately propped up to eclipse reality where families, societies and nations are led by strong men. Only strong men can defend Christ's Social Reign. This is why Catholic monarchies were targeted for eradication by Jєω revolutionaries. This is why seminaries were targeted by perverts against nature. This is why Jєωs pioneered feminism and gave women the "right" to vote, because a cascade of liberalism and humanism was sure to follow. Women voted subversives into office. Women in power and a morally bereft nation are easier to manipulate. The goal of the Jєω is to completely remove Jesus Christ from civilization. Women lack the intelligence to understand that they're pawns in this agenda.

    A woman's love of a man is best demonstrated by her obedience to him. If a woman lacks obedience to a man, she doesn't truly love him. She only loves what he can provide for her.

    Males inherited the fallen nature of Adam in naively putting too much trust into females and leaving them to their own faculties, instead of leading them, which inevitably results in the woman being corrupted and easily manipulated by evil. This happened when Adam left Eve alone, subsequently, Satan succeeded in sowing disobedience in her. Adam got suckered into trusting Eve's claim that it was fine to eat of the Garden. The number of times that men got suckered by women to do the wrong things must equal the number of stars in the cosmos.
    Not all Women are not evil, liars or manipulative. Just like not all men are cheaters, liars, abusive, manipulative. Adam ate the apple same as eve... he could have said no, and God could have scrapped her to make a better model. But Adam desired the same thing she did, and that was unlimited power/knowledge. It didn’t take much for Delilah to get Samson. All she had to do was give a come hither look, and he was gone. Both these men ended in trouble because of their own choices, not just the woman. God told Lots family not to look back, and Lot’s wife did, she turned to salt. Lot listened to God, and did not turn back. Women don’t lead men anywhere they don’t want to go, and that goes for men leading women too.