Author Topic: Have Women Become Too Independent For Marriage? (Read 3980 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #15 on:** November 12, 2018, 07:50:54 AM »

Yes, sometimes women become feminists after having been mistreated by men ... but that's the minority case. Most of the time women imagine that they're being mistreated if they're not being treated like men.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #16 on:** November 12, 2018, 09:20:52 AM »

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A woman will submit if her husband is kind and loving. He doesn’t have double standards in behavior, or use his wife as only a copulation outlet, maid, and nanny.

This is the main problem with feminism - women have been taught that they will do God's will...if the man does his first. That's not catholic at all. Women make a vow before God to respect their husbands (which includes obedience), which is what St Paul told women to do to fulfill their marital duties.
Secondly, the idea that men "force" women to be a maid and nanny shows you have no idea of the vocation of a wife/mother. When you marry, it is your JOB to take care of the house and to raise your children. That's how it has worked for 5,000 years. If you blame your husband for these duties, you have a supremely warped, anti-catholic and feminist view of marriage.
I'll pray for you.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2018, 09:42:44 AM »

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Adam ate the apple same as eve... he could have said no, and God could have scrapped her to make a better model. But Adam desired the same thing she did, and that was unlimited power/knowledge. ... Women don’t lead men anywhere they don’t want to go, and that goes for men leading women too.

No, Adam did not desire unlimited power/knowledge. Adam didn't need unlimited knowledge because he already had infused knowledge and his power over nature was supreme. God created men with the vocation to rule and govern, so that is their natural duty and their gifts are naturally ordered to fulfill this obligation. Man's greatest temptation is ease of life, which is why God punished Adam with "labor and toil" for all his days. Adam fell because he desired to please his wife; he desired pleasure and he sinfully sacrificed principles (i.e. God's commands) for human respect.
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God created women with the vocation to help and support. Yet woman's greatest temptation is power/control, which they do not typically have the natural ability to obtain easily, which is why God punished Eve with Adam having dominion over her.
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Both sexes sinned in the Garden of Eden, but in different ways. It is part of feminisms' errors to teach that men/women have similar natures and temptations, which is absolutely untrue. A deeper knowledge of human nature and the differences of the sexes is necessary in our day and age.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2018, 09:57:23 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 12, 2018, 09:20:52 AM

This is the main problem with feminism - women have been taught that they will do God's will...if the man does his first. That's not catholic at all. Women make a vow before God to respect their husbands (which includes obedience), which is what St Paul told women to do to fulfill their marital duties.
Secondly, the idea that men "force" women to be a maid and nanny shows you have no idea of the vocation of a wife/mother. When you marry, it is your JOB to take care of the house and to raise your children. That's how it has worked for 5,000 years. If you blame your husband for these duties, you have a supremely warped, anti-catholic and feminist view of marriage.
I'll pray for you.

I don’t blame my husband for anything. I gladly do my task, but when he acts like it should just be done while he sits around all weekend doing nothing but nap, and watch football. While I’m up taking care of everything. I’m gonna get a little upset. That is taking advantage of me, and not thinking of my needs to relax on a weekend too.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:03:08 AM »

I completely agree that your situation sounds unfair, but my point is that YOUR obligations to God, through you vow of marriage, are NOT DEPENDENT upon your husband’s actions.

Just because my father is an alcoholic doesn’t mean that gives me an accuse to be one too. Just because your husband is being lax in his marital duties doesn’t mean you can too. Your marital vow was to God and your husband but to God first.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:09:16 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 12, 2018, 10:03:08 AM

I completely agree that your situation sounds unfair, but my point is that YOUR obligations to God, through you vow of marriage, are NOT DEPENDENT upon your husband’s actions.

Just because my father is an alcoholic doesn’t mean that gives me an accuse to be one too. Just because your husband is being lax in his marital duties doesn’t mean you can too. Your marital vow was to God and your husband but to God first.

Agreed!! But it does make it har door either sex to full film that promise to God if one isn’t doing their part.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:23:21 AM »

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Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage?

So you've been spying on the people at your chapel and you know what goes on in their homes? And you believe that there are no Catholics left... except for you, right?

No, to all you speculated.
You see them in the public, the way they behave, the way they dress, the way their children behave and dress. By their deeds you shall know them. "In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives." The rest are just basically letting the children grow up on their own, sending them to others to teach them, the same as they were "taught".

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:33:04 AM »

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Agreed!! But it does make it harder for either sex to fulfill that promise to God if one isn’t doing their part.

Absolutely. And you have a Catholic attitude about it.

But back to the main problem, feminism, which tells women that if men don't do their part, then they are allowed to quit or find a new spouse. Or, that if the man doesn't do their part FIRST, then women can disrespect him, and don't have to fulfill their vows. This is subversive and will destroy a marriage. I'm not saying that a feminist women is SOLEY responsible for the destruction in marriage BUT, if women have this idea that a man must be perfect before she has to "follow him" then she will forever be waiting to follow because no man is perfect and thus, the marriage will slowly die. All this because the woman believed a feminist utopian lie that marriage is "equal", a "partnership" and that spouses are have the same roles.

Disney teaches girls the lie that dating is all about love/emotions. The Catholic/human nature truth is that dating is all about 1) shared goals (i.e. get to heaven, raise a catholic family) 2) complimentary personalities which LEADS TO love because you have agreement on principles and some level of personal "chemistry".

Feminism teaches women the lie that marriage is all about equality and fulfillment. The catholic/human nature truth is that marriage is about DOING A JOB, which means SACRIFICING for the shared goals you both agreed upon when dating (i.e. God will/heaven). Since husbands and wives have DIFFERENT jobs in marriage, there can never be equality because a husband can't do a wives job and vice versa. The fulfillment comes, not from the other person, but from DOING THE JOB WELL and being blessed by God with "that peace which surpasses all understanding." (Phillipines 4:7)

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:33:41 AM »

Relating to not teaching the children to be real Catholic wives, here's some visible to anyone ("by their deeds") examples of not living a real Catholic life:

- during the week, the daughters (and the mothers if they are young) wear jeans, short shorts, tight revealing tops and pants, short skirts ans dresses above the knees, sleeveless tops, belly exposed, bikini and one piece bathing suits....

- the parents allow their daughters to go out with boys without a chaperone
- the parents send their daughters away to school and do not have a clue what their daughters are doing.
- the daughters wear modesty challenging clothing to mass (a sign that the rest of the week they wear jeans, short shorts, tight revealing tops....)

The mothers have passed on to their daughters the false teaching that a woman's beauty is measured by the response they get from men, so the mothers see nothing wrong with their daughters dressing provocatively to attract men, indeed they even encourage it!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2018, 10:53:19 AM »

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But back to the main problem, feminism, which tells women that if men don't do their part, then they are allowed to quit or find a new spouse. ….Disney teaches girls the lie that dating is all about love/emotions. ….Feminism teaches women the lie that marriage is all about equality and fulfillment.

The main problem is not feminism or Disney, it is that they are not living a Catholic life. The result of not living a Catholic life is feminism and watching Disney to learn about life. If the girl or boy is not living a Catholic life, they will fall for anything.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2018, 11:05:40 AM »

Not necessarily. A girl or woman can be living a catholic life but still get caught up in feminism, which is a temptation. No saint was immune from temptation; they were a saint because they 1) recognized the error and 2) conquered it. If catholics don't become educated about lies and feminism, they will be wounded by it, even with an active prayer life. Sainthood is dependent upon temporal and spiritual means.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2018, 11:17:29 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 12, 2018, 11:05:40 AM

Not necessarily. A girl or woman can be living a catholic life but still get caught up in feminism, which is a temptation. No saint was immune from temptation; they were a saint because they 1) recognized the error and 2) conquered it. If catholics don't become educated about lies and feminism, they will be wounded by it, even with an active prayer life. Sainthood is dependent upon temporal and spiritual means.

If they are really living a Catholic life, they are because they are open to receiving the grace from God to do the right thing, everything is dependent on God's Grace and putting no obstacles in His path. A woman that falls for feminism, wearing provocative clothing..... has some other love, a defect, that is blocking God's grace. They have a little white rabbits that they do not want to get rid of:

Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit

"The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.

The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".

(The father is Our Lord Jesus Christ, the toys are man’s earthly attachments which cause them to never receive sanctifying grace or to lose it. The new gifts are sanctifying grace and ultimately eternal bliss in Heaven)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2018, 11:25:41 AM »

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A woman that falls for feminism, wearing provocative clothing..... has some other love, a defect, that is blocking God's grace.

But the errors of feminism go MUCH DEEPER than simply wearing provacative clothing and not respecting your husband. Just like we've all been infected with Modernism and Protestant thinking, to some degree, we are all infected with feminist THINKING, especially women. Anti-catholic thinking is much more dangerous than actions, because you can stop actions, but the poor thinking will endure and reappear, if it is not corrected.

One cannot simply pray to understand God. You have to read books, listen to sermons, etc. No matter how much a teenager prays, they will have temptations against purity. If all they do is pray about it, they will be neglecting the temporal understanding of WHY God wants us to be pure. If you don't understand the WHYS of the Faith, your faith is superficial, which problem affects most catholics today.

Same thing with feminism. Yes, one can pray to avoid errors ("and lead us not into temptation") but that doesn't mean you understand WHY feminism is wrong. We must do good and avoid evil. Part of 'doing good' is educating yourself. Prayer is part of avoiding evil. Prayer does not supply for lack of learning, unless in extraordinary circuмstances.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2018, 11:38:23 AM »

Women who don't know how to deal with men, become feminist.

Men who don't know how to deal with women, go MGTOW.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2018, 11:40:16 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 12, 2018, 11:25:41 AM

But the errors of feminism go MUCH DEEPER than simply wearing provacative clothing and not respecting your husband. Just like we've all been infected with Modernism and Protestant thinking, to some degree, we are all infected with feminist THINKING, especially women. Anti-catholic thinking is much more dangerous than actions, because you can stop actions, but the poor thinking will endure and reappear, if it is not corrected.

One cannot simply pray to understand God. You have to read books, listen to sermons, etc. No matter how much a teenager prays, they will have temptations against purity. If all they do is pray about it, they will be neglecting the temporal understanding of WHY God wants us to be pure. If you don't understand the WHYS of the Faith, your faith is superficial, which problem affects most catholics today.

Same thing with feminism. Yes, one can pray to avoid errors ("and lead us not into temptation") but that doesn't mean you understand WHY feminism is wrong. We must do good and avoid evil. Part of 'doing good' is educating yourself. Prayer is part of avoiding evil. Prayer does not supply for lack of learning, unless in extraordinary circuмstances.

I speak from my personal experience. I knew nothing about the faith when I was 40. I gave up my worldly life and sought to learn truth and God provided me with everything as I went along the path. Without knowing anything, I acquired a vast library of books over time as I taught myself. God also provided me with the sight to recognize good priests and I found very good priests along the way. Looking back now, I look at my library of maybe 1000 books, booklets, tapes, video's, and only 3 are Novus Ordo conservative, all the books are traditional Catholic. How is that possible for a person that knew nothing?

"If they are really living a Catholic life, they are because they are open to receiving the grace from God to do the right thing, everything is dependent on God's Grace and putting no obstacles in His path"..

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