Author Topic: Have Most Priests Bought into this Once Saved Always Saved heresy? (Read 1094 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** March 31, 2017, 03:04:14 PM »

In my experience, I would say they probably have

I sometimes feel very alone because no one else talks about this kind of thing, about how un-priest-like many priests are these days. Well, I say that things that are hidden never get resolved. We have to talk about what is wrong in the Church.

The Church is messed up, some say it doesn't have a proper pope and i tend to agree w/ that but .. still don't u/stand a few things vis a vis all that.. Anyway, where the heck was I? My mind is all over the place

But the way priests act, you would think they believe they are saved regardless of their behavior and the way some just defy Catholic teaching..

I dont know how any rational person can believe such a dumb belief, esp a priest who should definitely know better

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2017, 03:29:08 PM »

figures

no one wants to talk about how bad priests can be these days.

which explains why we have so many bad priests. Some people in the Church act like priests are virtually God or something.. can't criticize them. Well, I am not one of those

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2017, 07:04:38 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 02, 2017, 03:32:50 AM

If this were true tehn why have the sacrament of confession?

huh?
dont get it?
if WHAT is true?

Prayerful · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2017, 03:50:01 PM »

Given how adverse most Conciliar priests are to preaching on sin, there does seem some sort of implicit sub-Pelagian (be nice, be saved) Universal Salvation belief held by many of them. When this aging crew passes before the Judge of us all, they will be shocked. However all clearly Catholic priests preach clearly on sin.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:08:18 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on March 31, 2017, 03:04:14 PM

In my experience, I would say they probably have

I sometimes feel very alone because no one else talks about this kind of thing, about how un-priest-like many priests are these days. Well, I say that things that are hidden never get resolved. We have to talk about what is wrong in the Church.

The Church is messed up, some say it doesn't have a proper pope and i tend to agree w/ that but .. still don't u/stand a few things vis a vis all that.. Anyway, where the heck was I? My mind is all over the place

But the way priests act, you would think they believe they are saved regardless of their behavior and the way some just defy Catholic teaching..

I dont know how any rational person can believe such a dumb belief, esp a priest who should definitely know better

This is not true in my experience, but then I do not belong the NO religion. I attend a traditional chapel and they do still preach on the necessity of a valid confession to maintain a state of grace, and that only those in a state of grace will have the chance to go to heaven. Perhaps if you convert you will find peace for your heart, mind, and soul.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:44:55 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 04, 2017, 02:07:37 AM

If it were true that once you were saved you were going to Heaven then why did Jesus give us the sacrament of confession?

well, yeh, i get it but the protesters do not. They would likely just LOL and say WE DONT BELIEVE in SACRAMENTS
so you kinda have to come up with something else. But now that i think of it, it doesn't matter what you come up with.. they are going to defy, defy, defy... and argue, argue argue..
no great mystery why i do not socialize w/ protesters anymore

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2017, 06:49:08 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 04, 2017, 06:08:18 PM

This is not true in my experience, but then I do not belong the NO religion. I attend a traditional chapel and they do still preach on the necessity of a valid confession to maintain a state of grace, and that only those in a state of grace will have the chance to go to heaven. Perhaps if you convert you will find peace for your heart, mind, and soul.

actually, i feel i have already converted, if you mean going to non-NO masses. I gues they are called traditional masses? If a traditionist had tried to get me away from the NO mass, say 5 years ago, I wouldn't have listend.. woulda said, Hey, the NO is fine. But i have been through hell since then and hell caused by NO priests and parishioners.

now I may start going to the traditional Church as often as possible (not very possible @ this time), and i may find that, as some have wisely pointed out.. people are basically the same everywhere. In other words, the non NO people might be as bad or worse than the ones I have met in the NO community.. ? But somehow i doubt they are much worse .. dont think that is even possible?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2017, 12:07:58 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 04, 2017, 06:49:08 PM

actually, i feel i have already converted, if you mean going to non-NO masses. I gues they are called traditional masses? If a traditionist had tried to get me away from the NO mass, say 5 years ago, I wouldn't have listend.. woulda said, Hey, the NO is fine. But i have been through hell since then and hell caused by NO priests and parishioners.

now I may start going to the traditional Church as often as possible (not very possible @ this time), and i may find that, as some have wisely pointed out.. people are basically the same everywhere. In other words, the non NO people might be as bad or worse than the ones I have met in the NO community.. ? But somehow i doubt they are much worse .. dont think that is even possible?

It's not about the "people" who are there, it is about the faith being taught. People are the same everywhere and if you depend on your pew-mates to inspire you and reinforce your faith you will be disappointed.
And if you have to "guess" you are going to a traditional Mass, then I suspect you are not.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2017, 04:39:49 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 05, 2017, 12:07:58 AM

It's not about the "people" who are there, it is about the faith being taught. People are the same everywhere and if you depend on your pew-mates to inspire you and reinforce your faith you will be disappointed.
And if you have to "guess" you are going to a traditional Mass, then I suspect you are not.

my, aren't you a charitable sort.
you may want to investigate and research the REASONs people have for going to any given faith community service or Mass
I thought the reason, in one word, was Jesus?
am i right?
and Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. To accuse me of not "going to" what you claim is the only right Church and insinuate I am doing so for nefarious purposes (too lazy, etc) is not exactly loving your neighbor as yourself

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2017, 06:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Prayerful on April 04, 2017, 03:50:01 PM

Given how adverse most Conciliar priests are to preaching on sin, there does seem some sort of implicit sub-Pelagian (be nice, be saved) Universal Salvation belief held by many of them. When this aging crew passes before the Judge of us all, they will be shocked. However all clearly Catholic priests preach clearly on sin.

yes, it does seem that many priests these days .. NO ones avoid preaching on the dangers of sin. It is almost like they sorta accept the protestant notion that Jesus did everything so we dont have to do anything.. or much of anything

it is SO fantasy-world

anyone who has the Holy Spirit knows when s/he sins that God is not happy, to say the least, and in fact the wrath of God descends on those in serious sin, meaning sin they are not repenting of and trying to eradicate from their lives. It is not a matter of us traditionalists being "scrupulous" (I have had more than one priest call me that before). It is a matter of facing

that thing "liberals" in general always avoid facing

REALITY

If you deny the Holy Spirit... and do so unto death, that is the unforgivable sin.

The HS tells us: that is a terrible thing you did

blashphemy of the HS says: I know, but I don't care.

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