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« on: August 02, 2012, 02:39:19 PM »
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  • Hate seems like one of those things we aren't supposed to indulge in.  I guess it is contrary to charity.  On the other hand, we are supposed to "hate" certain things.  It seems like there are different kinds of hate, just like there are different kinds of love.  Although, in our culture any major  discussion of that seems like it has been politicized/used to sell things to a cynical degree and hence, is sort of meaningless.  But, here sometimes that is different.   So, how do you discriminate between bad hate and "good hate" or different kinds of hate?  Do you think such a thing even exists or do you think "all hate is bad (contrary to charity)?"

    Also, if you find yourself mired in hate, how do you get out of it?  









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    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 03:00:55 PM »
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  • Not easy, prayer is one thing. There are some good blurbs from Abbot Lawrance of Christ in Desert Monastery on this and similar issues, plus his "Abbot's Notes" he posts 1x a week.

    I was there back in March for a weekend retreat.....very rustic, pretty....

    hate the sin true, but most people are either decieved or ignorant........a small few, decievers on purpose (or, possesion). Prayer.......I do the Lauds, Vespers and rosary daily now.....sometimes, more.....


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    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 03:02:37 PM »
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  • http://christdesert.org/About_Us/Abbot_s_and_Cellarer_s_Pages/Abbot_s_Notebook/index.html

    "I rarely listen to talk shows on the radio. Occasionally when I am driving, I do listen to one. Far too often they are filled with the encouragement of hatred, of rejection of others and of judgment. I suppose that is what draws people to listen to them. These talk shows have the virtue of recognizing what is wrong. The solution is rarely the love that Jesus wants from us. "


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    « Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 03:03:13 PM »
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    « Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 04:05:53 PM »
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    Not sure why I, Belloc, showing as "unregistered guest", but.....

    You can't have checked the box asking not to be anonymous. It's just above the reply button.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 05:34:48 PM »
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  • It may be that our clergy doesn't address this topic of hate as much as they should.  The subtleties of this vocabulary are pretty important.  Hate is forbidden to us, yet there is the virtue of "holy hatred," along with "holy pride," "holy envy," "holy anger" and (perhaps surprisingly) even "holy arrogance."

    As best as I can understand, what these somewhat strange "holies" involve is what we should actually do with the energies that are involved in, for example, immoral hatred, pride, envy or arrogance.  (What a list!)  Those energies do exist and something should be done with them in a positive way as well as the negative approach of simply suppressing them.  We can't overcome those harmful vices through suppressing them only -- although we had better practice a lot of that too, needless to say!

    So we should not only suppress our ordinary sinful hatreds but also reapply the powerful energies involved in hatred over to "holy hatred," which is actually simply fervent zeal for the good.  This zeal is NOT literally hatred anymore, but it applies and uses our energies that would otherwise go into sinful hatred over into ZEAL.  Which should be a positive constructive attitude, not bitter.  When zeal becomes bitter, then that indicates we're being self-centered in our zeal and not truly devoting it to God and religion, as such a powerful energy as "holy hatred" or religious zeal needs to be.

    If our zeal is true, then it will not be bitter or self-centered and will be a powerful and important aide for us with which to serve the Lord and the very self-less true interests of the Good God.  Needless to say, no one is saying here that "holy hatred" is among the easier virtues to achieve!  But if we are possessed with much hatred, then we had better get busy and learn to master the great and admirable virtue named "holy hatred"!

    It's relevant here to note as well that "holy hatred" is also the prime and most certain sign and mark of TRUE LOVE.  Where there is true love, there is always bƖσσdshɛd and the truest proof of love is the fiery zeal that is the virtue of holy hatred.  On his Cross, Our Lord also burned with HOLY HATRED against sin and evil (aka "the Jєωs") and thereby showed his TRUE LOVE for everything good and truly human.

    Similar patterns apply to the other "holies" mentioned above.  "Holy anger" isn't literal anger itself but it is using the very real high energies of would-be sinful anger to get things done that need doing.  Sometimes hard work can benefit from a good dose of such "holy anger."  Similarly "holy envy" isn't literally envying others, but rather being envious about completely legitimate concerns like the honor of our families, for example.  To have a "holy envy" for the honor and welfare of one's own family is a great virtue and no vice, yet it can often use the energies of what might otherwise be a sinful envy against others.

    "Holy pride" is often another name for Christian manhood, "holy vanity" could describe the laudable concern of Catholic women for beauty and "holy arrogance" is a fierce warrior virtue that may not often be of too much concern to the Catholic ladies.

    Perhaps our clergy might talk more about these important virtues and thereby help us to sometimes escape more easily from the terrible curse that is the vice of unholy hatred.  There's nothing more miserable than being possessed by hatred and learning holy zeal is one important way for overcoming that deadly trap.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 01:28:17 PM »
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    It may be that our clergy doesn't address this topic of hate as much as they should.  The subtleties of this vocabulary are pretty important.  Hate is forbidden to us, yet there is the virtue of "holy hatred," along with "holy pride," "holy envy," "holy anger" and (perhaps surprisingly) even "holy arrogance."

    As best as I can understand, what these somewhat strange "holies" involve is what we should actually do with the energies that are involved in, for example, immoral hatred, pride, envy or arrogance.  (What a list!)  Those energies do exist and something should be done with them in a positive way as well as the negative approach of simply suppressing them.  We can't overcome those harmful vices through suppressing them only -- although we had better practice a lot of that too, needless to say!

    So we should not only suppress our ordinary sinful hatreds but also reapply the powerful energies involved in hatred over to "holy hatred," which is actually simply fervent zeal for the good.  This zeal is NOT literally hatred anymore, but it applies and uses our energies that would otherwise go into sinful hatred over into ZEAL.  Which should be a positive constructive attitude, not bitter.  When zeal becomes bitter, then that indicates we're being self-centered in our zeal and not truly devoting it to God and religion, as such a powerful energy as "holy hatred" or religious zeal needs to be.

    If our zeal is true, then it will not be bitter or self-centered and will be a powerful and important aide for us with which to serve the Lord and the very self-less true interests of the Good God.  Needless to say, no one is saying here that "holy hatred" is among the easier virtues to achieve!  But if we are possessed with much hatred, then we had better get busy and learn to master the great and admirable virtue named "holy hatred"!

    It's relevant here to note as well that "holy hatred" is also the prime and most certain sign and mark of TRUE LOVE.  Where there is true love, there is always bƖσσdshɛd and the truest proof of love is the fiery zeal that is the virtue of holy hatred.  On his Cross, Our Lord also burned with HOLY HATRED against sin and evil (aka "the Jєωs") and thereby showed his TRUE LOVE for everything good and truly human.

    Similar patterns apply to the other "holies" mentioned above.  "Holy anger" isn't literal anger itself but it is using the very real high energies of would-be sinful anger to get things done that need doing.  Sometimes hard work can benefit from a good dose of such "holy anger."  Similarly "holy envy" isn't literally envying others, but rather being envious about completely legitimate concerns like the honor of our families, for example.  To have a "holy envy" for the honor and welfare of one's own family is a great virtue and no vice, yet it can often use the energies of what might otherwise be a sinful envy against others.

    "Holy pride" is often another name for Christian manhood, "holy vanity" could describe the laudable concern of Catholic women for beauty and "holy arrogance" is a fierce warrior virtue that may not often be of too much concern to the Catholic ladies.

    Perhaps our clergy might talk more about these important virtues and thereby help us to sometimes escape more easily from the terrible curse that is the vice of unholy hatred.  There's nothing more miserable than being possessed by hatred and learning holy zeal is one important way for overcoming that deadly trap.


    Interesting post. What then should someone do with lust?

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    Hating Others
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 01:43:06 PM »
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  • ^ The above post was made by me. I forgot to select not to post anonymously.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


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    « Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 04:22:08 AM »
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  • You should hate the sin, but love the sinner.

    If you find yourself mired in hate against someone, maybe you should remember that they too were redemmed by Christ. go out of your way if possible to do good to that person. This is the way to grow in holiness.