Question: If the SSPX is "regularized", why should anyone travel a long distance for an SSPX Mass if an FSSP or other TLM Mass is available closer to home?

Well, I agree with the sentiment of the question, but one thing that SSPX priests have that the FSSP and Indult and other such venues don't is indisputably valid orders.  The FSSP has a few -- almost all former SSPX priests -- whereas all 500+ SSPX priests are, unquestionably, priests.  Then again, who knows what percentage of SSPX priests will be indisputably valid five years after a deal with the Vatican ?  This is somewhat academic, though, since most people in favour of the deal take the Menzingen line on the subject -- that all the Novus Ordo ordinations are valid as such.  For those who would attend SSPX chapels after the deal, then, it does seem pointless to go any further than the closest place.

P.S.  I have heard that a few Novus Ordo priests were allowed into the SSPX within the past few years without being conditionally ordained.  If this is true, one should only consider as indisputably valid those SSPX or affiliated religious priests as indisputably valid who were ordained (conditionally or no) by SSPX bishops.

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Question: If the SSPX is "regularized", why should anyone travel a long distance for an SSPX Mass if an FSSP or other TLM Mass is available closer to home?

Well, I agree with the sentiment of the question, but one thing that SSPX priests have that the FSSP and Indult and other such venues don't is indisputably valid orders.  

Do you really believe that this assurance can be given with "regularization"?  For goodness sakes, there was an article posted on this very forum about a Conciliar bishop in Germany (I think) who confirmed the faithful at an SSPX chapel recently.  Up until now, most Conciliar priests who came to the SSPX--at least in the United States--were conditionally ordained, not because their prior ordinations were suspect, but for the benefit of the faithful (related to me by an SSPX priest who never doubted his original ordination by a Conciliar bishop).

Yes, I think you are right.  The days of indisputably valid orders in the SSPX are coming to an end.  Soon, it looks like it will be just like the FSSP.

With regularization, the SSPX will, out of necessity, have to stop any actions which might cast doubt upon the Conciliar orders.  If the regularization "docuмent" is actually made public, I would not doubt that buried somewhere in the details, such recognition of all Conciliar ordinations and consecrations will be clearly and unambiguously accepted.

Of course.  The nature of Rome's diplomatic position and the SSPX's ensure that this absolutely must be the case by even the most rudimentary logic.  Contra factum non argumentum.

I remember reading a pamphlet entitled, "Merely a Matter of Preference" that asked the question, is tradition merely a matter of what one personally prefers?

Ultimately, one has to ask the question whether the pagentry of tradition, the smoke of the incense, the ringing of the bells, the genuflections, the beauty of the priestly vestments, the altar boys, etc., are all that really matter.  Is this just what I prefer?  Or is tradition more than that?

If it is all just a matter of preference, and my local priest offers a nice conservative Mass, maybe he even chants part of it, and the choir sounds beautiful, the church isn't decorated with hundreds of politically correct felt banners, no rainbows adorning the sanctuary, etc., why is the traditional Mass important.  Why, especially, if the Novus Ordo and all that comes with it is valid, holy and pleasing to God and is His will?

Most people I know who once attended the Novus Ordo came to tradition, whether through the SSPX or other traditional priests, for more reasons than they just liked it better.  Even many people who attend an FSSP Mass do so for more than just personal preference and many of them have told me that they wished for an SSPX chapel in the area.

So, the question to be answered here is whether it really matters.  Bishop Fellay seems to be saying that it really doesn't.  So I have to wonder why I should go out of my way to attend his society's Mass.