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Government Food Assistance
« on: September 27, 2023, 04:28:04 PM »
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  • I decided to post this in the anonymous section because I figured I'd get more replies if people could remain anonymous. 

    Does your family receive food stamps? Or I think it might call it the SNAP program now?

    The cost of food is ridiculously high, especially in the small rural towns in my area and wages have not gone up. For the first time, we are considering applying for food assistance. My husband does not make enough at his job to support our family. Another job for him is out of the question because he works long, physical hours at his job. I work 2 businesses from home while homeschooling and taking care of our homestead, and it's just too much. I'm falling behind with schooling, am anxious all the time, and we are expecting a baby in April.  

    We hesitate because we don't want to expose our family to any sort of governmental reach, but somethings got to give. 

    Would you do it? It seems like quite a few traditional Catholic families would do this since mom is usually at home and there are lots of kids. But I don't hear it spoken of very often. 

    Catholic charities does food drop off's once a month. We did that a couple times, but the food is so unhealthy so I stopped doing that. 

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2023, 04:35:26 PM »
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  • I would do it. If the service is offered, and you legitimately qualify for it, then what could be the reason not to? 


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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2023, 04:46:43 PM »
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  • I would do it. If the service is offered, and you legitimately qualify for it, then what could be the reason not to?
    I don't know, I might just be paranoid, but I worry that a family with children that receives food stamps might be put on some sort of list that makes them more prone to visits from the CPS. 

    And I will also admit, I fear the scorn from the community. I know this is not a legitimate reason not to do it, and it wouldn't stop me, but it's an aggravation. We live in a small town. I can just hear it now. Why don't they just put their kids in school, she's too lazy to work, why should we have to pay for their food, etc etc etc. 

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2023, 04:52:16 PM »
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  • Are you able to lower or cut back on expenses at all, like gas, brand-name food/stuff, phone bill? I understand how you feel about the CPS thing, sorry about your situation. In Canada, food banks are increasingly popular even with middle-class people so don't feel bad. If you know any farmers or people that grow their own food, could you barter or trade for their fresh produce/meat? You mentioned that you homestead, what do you grow? Do you raise animals? Maybe you can sell things that you don't use anymore?

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2023, 04:57:26 PM »
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  • There are a 1000 challenges and downsides for large families in 2023, including having to pay twice to school your children. Property taxes for the public schools, then pay again for their actual schooling.

    If there's ONE LOUSY upside to having a big family, why not take it? Why not take the good with the bad? Usually people talk about taking the bad with the good.

    If you qualify, you qualify.

    And no, no one is "paying for your food". Their tax dollars are an insignificant part of the Federal Budget. Most goes to the Military, countless other programs, foreign aid, etc. Every year they print a trillion or more out of thin air.

    Even Social Security is welfare at this point, requiring borrowing (printing money out of thin air) to pay all the Baby Boomers. Yes, I know what they were told. Yes, I know the theory. But no, they are not being given "their money" back. That money is long gone. Social Security was a pyramid scheme -- literally -- and the only way to keep it solvent is to continue to inject new money into the system by printing money out of thin air. If we weren't the USA, holding the world's reserve currency, we would have collapsed economically long ago.

    Everyone with savings pays for welfare and all the other deficit spending -- because the dollar gets devalued each and every year. Notice the recent near-hyperinflation?

    But one or two Trad Catholic families taking food stamps is NOT going to make a difference. The welfare/entitlement programs aren't going anywhere.

    Now if you start voting pro-abort/Communist/leftist, that would be mortally sinful. You can't do that even to "vote yourself more benefits". But if you accept the situation as it is, accepting your small handout from the government, then it's totally legit.

    And no CPS won't be visiting you any more than they did before. Someone has to call CPS on you.

    I should also point out the MORAL GOOD of taking food stamps -- don't we want some of that government cheese go to support more European-descent, Traditional Catholic, law-abiding babies? Or must we go extinct and be outnumbered (both our nation/race and religion) as soon as humanly possible?

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2023, 05:06:03 PM »
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  • Are you able to lower or cut back on expenses at all, like gas, brand-name food/stuff, phone bill? I understand how you feel about the CPS thing, sorry about your situation. In Canada, food banks are increasingly popular even with middle-class people so don't feel bad. If you know any farmers or people that grow their own food, could you barter or trade for their fresh produce/meat? You mentioned that you homestead, what do you grow? Do you raise animals? Maybe you can sell things that you don't use anymore?
    We only buy second hand clothes, and we don’t travel much at all if it’s not necessary. We travel to get to Mass, my husband travels to work and back, 60 miles each day. He is going to press them for a raise (because he really does deserve one) and if he doesn’t get it he is going to work for someone else who has offered him more. 

    We do a fair amount of bartering and trading. We trade our dairy products for meat. We grow a nice garden but not nearly big enough to keep up with our family. We would grow a larger one, but the time just isn’t there to manage it. I cook a lot from scratch. 

    Once a month we like to take a trip to the city and come back with groceries that are nearly half the price of groceries in our town. Some months we don’t have the money to buy in bulk though, so it’s a vicious circle. 
    We do t want to move from where we are. We have our small piece of land outside of a small town. It’s great for our family. But it comes with challenges. 

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2023, 05:09:37 PM »
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  • We haven't had fluff in our budget for a decade in a half. We don't order doordash, we don't eat out, we have 0 "subscriptions" or recurring payments for music/TV/entertainment/news, we don't drink coffee or alcohol (and if we did, we would do it cheap, the "grocery store" variety vs. Starbucks or bars), we don't smoke, we don't buy anything name brand, we already garage sale/accept hand-me-downs for clothing wherever possible, etc.

    So don't assume a given family has fluff just waiting to be cut.

    "You need $50 man? Just give up starbucks for a week lol!"

    Uh, I could give up Starbucks for 3 years and have exactly $0 saved up.

    We've spent $28,000 on braces for 4 of our kids so far. Of the remaining 5, at least one of them doesn't need them. So we might have to spend about as much again before we're done.
    We don't even get a *discount* for braces. Medicaid/CHIP doesn't pay for orthodontics -- not even when it's medically necessary. Apparently there was a ton of abuse (maybe just in Texas?) so now we're paying the price, literally. They were giving out braces like candy, since the Gov't paid for it, and the orthodontist made money. It was a huge moral hazard. So they clamped down on it. So now, even if a child REALLY NEEDS braces, unless he has teeth literally growing out of his cheek or something, no discount on braces.

    We don't do braces for "perfect teeth" -- it's more about medical necessity in my clan. Cramped mouth, teeth over other teeth, danger of tooth decay/impossible to keep them clean, chewing problems, breathing issues, etc. You'd think they'd cover it.

    And don't get me started on homeschooling costs.
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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #7 on: September 27, 2023, 05:12:00 PM »
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  • I decided to post this in the anonymous section because I figured I'd get more replies if people could remain anonymous.

    Does your family receive food stamps? Or I think it might call it the SNAP program now?

    The cost of food is ridiculously high, especially in the small rural towns in my area and wages have not gone up. For the first time, we are considering applying for food assistance. My husband does not make enough at his job to support our family. Another job for him is out of the question because he works long, physical hours at his job. I work 2 businesses from home while homeschooling and taking care of our homestead, and it's just too much. I'm falling behind with schooling, am anxious all the time, and we are expecting a baby in April. 

    We hesitate because we don't want to expose our family to any sort of governmental reach, but somethings got to give.

    Would you do it? It seems like quite a few traditional Catholic families would do this since mom is usually at home and there are lots of kids. But I don't hear it spoken of very often.

    Catholic charities does food drop off's once a month. We did that a couple times, but the food is so unhealthy so I stopped doing that.

    Firstly, you and your husband appear not only to be good, committed Catholics, but you are hard-working, honorable people, busting your asses, and still coming up short.  If ever there was a family who DESERVED assistance, it is yours.  The scorn is reserved for deadbeats who won't get out of bed in the morning.  That obviously isn't you by a long shot.

    Secondly, so far as I'm aware, receiving SNAP/food assistance comes with no CPS strings attached, any more than unemployment compensation after a job loss would.

    Finally, as a child of a mother who had to go on welfare assistance when my parents divorced, my mother is still proud to this day that she was able eventually to get a good job after a few years, and actually retired rather wealthy.  And we were/are proud of her too.  So keep your chin up, take the assistance, and don't worry about it.

    You don't sound like the kind of people who will be kept down indefinitely.


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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #8 on: September 27, 2023, 05:12:25 PM »
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  • Firstly, you and your husband appear not only to be good, committed Catholics, but you are hard-working, honorable people, busting your asses, and still coming up short.  If ever there was a family who DESERVED assistance, it is yours.  The scorn is reserved for deadbeats who won't get out of bed in the morning.  That obviously isn't you by a long shot.

    Secondly, so far as I'm aware, receiving SNAP/food assistance comes with no CPS strings attached, any more than unemployment compensation after a job loss would.

    Finally, as a child of a mother who had to go on welfare assistance when my parents divorced, my mother is still proud to this day that she was able eventually to get a good job after a few years, and actually retired rather wealthy.  And we were/are proud of her too.  So keep your chin up, take the assistance, and don't worry about it.

    You don't sound like the kind of people who will be kept down indefinitely.

    Me ^^^
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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2023, 05:57:25 PM »
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  • We haven't had fluff in our budget for a decade in a half. We don't order doordash, we don't eat out, we have 0 "subscriptions" or recurring payments for music/TV/entertainment/news, we don't drink coffee or alcohol (and if we did, we would do it cheap, the "grocery store" variety vs. Starbucks or bars), we don't smoke, we don't buy anything name brand, we already garage sale/accept hand-me-downs for clothing wherever possible, etc.

    So don't assume a given family has fluff just waiting to be cut.

    "You need $50 man? Just give up starbucks for a week lol!"

    Uh, I could give up Starbucks for 3 years and have exactly $0 saved up.

    We've spent $28,000 on braces for 4 of our kids so far. Of the remaining 5, at least one of them doesn't need them. So we might have to spend about as much again before we're done.
    We don't even get a *discount* for braces. Medicaid/CHIP doesn't pay for orthodontics -- not even when it's medically necessary. Apparently there was a ton of abuse (maybe just in Texas?) so now we're paying the price, literally. They were giving out braces like candy, since the Gov't paid for it, and the orthodontist made money. It was a huge moral hazard. So they clamped down on it. So now, even if a child REALLY NEEDS braces, unless he has teeth literally growing out of his cheek or something, no discount on braces.

    We don't do braces for "perfect teeth" -- it's more about medical necessity in my clan. Cramped mouth, teeth over other teeth, danger of tooth decay/impossible to keep them clean, chewing problems, breathing issues, etc. You'd think they'd cover it.

    And don't get me started on homeschooling costs.
    OP Here. 

    All of this, exactly. No subscriptions, Startbucks, nice vehicles here either. 

    We've dropped a lot of money on homeschooling supplies here this year as well. It is expensive!! 

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2023, 06:37:48 PM »
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  • I don't know, I might just be paranoid, but I worry that a family with children that receives food stamps might be put on some sort of list that makes them more prone to visits from the CPS.

    And I will also admit, I fear the scorn from the community. I know this is not a legitimate reason not to do it, and it wouldn't stop me, but it's an aggravation. We live in a small town. I can just hear it now. Why don't they just put their kids in school, she's too lazy to work, why should we have to pay for their food, etc etc etc.

    This is not actual advice, just sharing my thinking. I'd hate to be wrong. But I think that CPS does not come out to anyone's house without there first being a referral of some kind, such as from a concerned neighbor or teacher, or the police have discovered something. As far as I know, CPS has to be "invited" somehow. 

    There are very many people receiving food stamps and other governmental aid. CPS doesn't have the resources to regularly visit such people. The biggest trouble one might expect to get in, is getting caught lying about income. But I think scads of people lie and get away with it all the time. 

    The fact that you homeschool combined with economic need might raise governmental interest. I know that some states force homeschooling families to submit to certain kinds of surveillance. Are you subject to anything like that now? Do you have to file reports or submit to home visits?

    I don't think you are being paranoid, not in this landscape. If you live in a small town, then employees that work for the agencies involved will know your personal business. And they may gossip or find ways to interfere. 

    Perhaps a rule of thumb is to consider all you've experienced since you began homeschooling. If thus far there's been no intrusiveness, then you may not have any problems as long as you qualify. 

    Let's face it, more and more families, even two-income families, are getting hit hard with the prices. My wallet is bleeding like a stuck pig, and I have no dependents. In such a circuмstance, you might stick out or call attention to yourself less than you might expect. There's another reason for your plight, and certainly not your decision to homeschool. In fact, homeschooling saves money.  

    Your second concern is also known as The Cross. You may very well be forced to taste bitterness if you go down this path. Think of the Holy Family. The bitterness of poverty, of exile, of shunning, of being hunted by the authorities, of living among the Egyptian heathens. 

    But again, what has been your experience in your town thus far? Have you already drank from the cup of the uncharity of others? Or have you been left in peace? I think it is reasonable to expect that the level of reactivity to your lifestyle and fidelity to God will continue in kind and degree as you move forward. 

    This goes without saying. Commend yourselves to the Holy Family, and ask Them to guide and protect you. I will add you to my prayer intentions bucket. 


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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2023, 07:01:50 PM »
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  • We received food support. Not ashamed in the slightest. Our tax dollars fund the program, so why not take advantage of we qualify?


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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2023, 07:08:02 PM »
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  • You’ve been paying for others for years.  You do realize that, I’m sure.  Now it’s your turn to cash in.  Make the most of what you receive.  Choose healthy, economic foods as much as possible, same as you would any other time.  
    Whose money are the 100,000’s of illegal immigrants using?  Do your part to establish justice.  Why should they eat while you and your children starve or do without medical care that will affect the rest of their adult lives?  (Try getting a decent job where others will see you, even if it’s just colleagues, not the general public, and have visibly nasty teeth or a speech impediment?  Rotting, infected teeth can eventually result in such horrors as blood poisoning, heart trouble, digestive troubles, sepsis, not to mention the social handicap of rancid breath!)  
    Is there a state funded university in your area with a dental school?  Do they have a free or low cost clinic?  If your child’s problem is unusual, can he join a clinical trial?  Often, people get paid for allowing themselves to be videotaped for use in classes.  
    For food, try also, soup kitchens, and food pantries.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2023, 09:49:09 PM »
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  • I don't know, I might just be paranoid, but I worry that a family with children that receives food stamps might be put on some sort of list that makes them more prone to visits from the CPS.

    And I will also admit, I fear the scorn from the community. I know this is not a legitimate reason not to do it, and it wouldn't stop me, but it's an aggravation. We live in a small town. I can just hear it now. Why don't they just put their kids in school, she's too lazy to work, why should we have to pay for their food, etc etc etc.
    Don’t worry about CPS. They have enough actual reports of abuse and neglect to worry about without targeting people on food stamps. Also, CPS is not a law enforcement agency, and you have Zero obligation to speak to them. If they ever show up at your door, say, “ no thank you, I don’t want to speak to you. Please leave my property immediately.” Many people fear CPS unnecessarily, because they think the agency has special powers. It doesn’t. You have zero obligation to say anything, just ask them to leave. If you ask them to leave, they have no choice but to comply. Their next step would be to go to public school and talk to your children without your permission or consent, but as you homeschool, it’s no problem for you. CPS has No special power. If you choose not to speak to them, you will suffer No consequences. Same goes for any law enforcement. “I won’t speak to you without a lawyer.” Nothing else need be said.

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    Re: Government Food Assistance
    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2023, 11:15:06 PM »
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  • The government is going to have its control over your finances either way. It's the government that's responsible for your costs skyrocketing while your income doesn't. It's our society/government that makes it impossible for a family to survive on one average income. If you qualify for any sort of help to offset the damage they've done to your ability to exist, take it.