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Anyone who outright states that Novus Ordo Catholics don't have the faith, doesn't have the faith. There are plenty of saints in the Novus Ordo, not many, but I've personally known saintly people who've had supernatural experiences (e.g. during first communion) and I knew a pious priest (ordained in the new rite) who was a genuine miracle worker. Most people make sensual and emotional judgements on the Novus Ordo based on personal experiences. In a place like the USA you'll find 98% of NO Catholics are ignorant because the USA has a high frequency of apostate bishops and priests. Most dioceses are horrible, the NO Mass is spiritually dry and banal, the English translations of the LotH is a bore to pray, but in the midst of this apostasy there are still pockets of faithful Catholics in the Novus Ordo. These faithful Catholics in the Novus Ordo don't need our spite or haughtiness, they need our prayers and charity. Many of them won't leave their parish because it's their rightful spiritual home, many don't know about tradition, most of them suffer from bad and scandalous priests and lay people as much as we do.

Traditional Catholics have their problems and aren't perfect either. Remember the SGG scandal? Due to the Francis papacy I tested the waters of sedevacantism and, though some SV's are good people, I found a lack of hope and charity in that community (not just internet but real life), and the lack of charity in particular alarmed me greatly and was the main reason I didn't embrace it when I was very open to it. I also rejected and was greatly put off by the Resistance movement for the same reasons (along with paranoia, conspiratorialism, and calumny).

As for the Pharisee thing, that slander against traditionalist is absurd and proves the ignorance of Holy Scripture by the accuser. Pharisees weren't bad because they were Holy, Jesus said we must be holier than the Pharisees, they were bad because they didn't ask God for any help. The publican asked God for mercy, the pharisee didn't ask God for anything and was content with himself. The majority of modern pharisees are Novus Ordo Catholics and not traditionalists. The majority of NO Catholics (I speak from a global experience and not an America-only experience like most people on this board) think they're basically good people are going to heaven, many think they're going to heaven because they never killed anybody and aren't Adolf Hitler. This sort of sin against the Holy Ghost is very prominent amongst N.O. Catholics. I haven't met one traditionalist who thinks he's "basically a good person" because he "never killed anyone" and "is not Adolf Hitler", if anything traditionalists are true publicans. Every day Catholics (Jєωs) think they're unpatriotic traitors (TLM instead of N.O.) who serve a foreign government (The Pius era Church) that is hostile to their people (Vatican II era Church). While every day Novus Ordo Catholics stand in the middle of the sanctuary (something normal in your average N.O liturgy) saying "Thank you God for making me basically a good person; I do not murder, I do not rape, I'm not Adolf Hitler...", the despised publicans (traditionalists) are in the confessional asking for God's forgiveness and mercy on a weekly basis.

Just because you have the legitimate Roman Mass doesn't mean you're going to be a good Catholic. Hans Kung celebrated the TLM as a priest, and he's Hans Kung. The biggest crisis in the Church isn't liturgical, disciplinary, or doctrinal. This crisis is primarily a spiritual crisis. Both N.O. and Traditionalists need to open up Three Conversions of the Spiritual Life or Dark Night of the Soul and get their relationship with God in order, myself included. That's what we're here for.

I wouldn't be surprised if more traditionalists benefit from the Divine Mercy Sunday promise than N.O. Catholics. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if more N.O Catholics went to Heaven than traditionalists. To whom much is given much is required.

This post was written by a poster who is filled with hate toward his fellow Catholics and is also likely either a liar or someone who engages in wishful thinking and fantasy.

Some will violently disagree with my conclusions. I seen all the changes since they begun unfolding in 1964. And this the logical direction where the novus ordo Catholicism is going to.

Mr. Anonymous SOULGUARD, the 1970 exorcism is promoted by the
Necedah sect. All true Catholic Exorcists know they do not directly question
the devil and evil spirits unless they volunteer information which could be a
lie itself.
This does not denies that their is some truth. Even a casual examinations
of novus ordo and Traditional Catholics there are  Pharisees
among us.