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Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
« on: November 13, 2016, 02:00:57 PM »
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  • Can't find anything online, as in catechisms.  Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.



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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 03:36:34 PM »
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  • Unfaithfulness, adultery.

    Alcoholism or drug-problems.

    Physical or verbal abuse.


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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 03:48:57 PM »
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    Unfaithfulness, adultery.

    Alcoholism or drug-problems.

    Physical or verbal abuse.


    what to do if there doesnt seem to be a fair reason like you listed, its been going on for years, even after talking to trad pastor and a counselor?

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 03:57:14 PM »
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  • Oh, there is a reason!  Will the person come forward and say what it is?

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 04:06:16 PM »
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    Oh, there is a reason!  Will the person come forward and say what it is?


    late starting rosary the last week.  seriously.

    other reasons, tired, headache, i dont sound serious asking


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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #5 on: November 13, 2016, 05:16:41 PM »
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    what to do if there doesnt seem to be a fair reason like you listed, its been going on for years, even after talking to trad pastor and a counselor?

    That must be hard. If I was married and my wife always refused the marital debt I would probably stop asking for it. My reasoning is that every time she refuses the debt without a good reason it is another sin on her part, so if I stopped asking it would prevent her from sinning.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 05:22:13 PM »
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    what to do if there doesnt seem to be a fair reason like you listed, its been going on for years, even after talking to trad pastor and a counselor?

    That must be hard. If I was married and my wife always refused the marital debt I would probably stop asking for it. My reasoning is that every time she refuses the debt without a good reason it is another sin on her part, so if I stopped asking it would prevent her from sinning.


    ive thought about that, but i think i (we) have the duty to keep trying, to try and have children.

    i just dont think she understands the limits on when she can say no.  and im not finding much in the catechism.

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 06:27:27 PM »
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  • Is the marriage consumated?
    Have you spoken to a priest?
    Is your wife sick?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 06:43:58 PM »
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    Is the marriage consumated?
    Have you spoken to a priest?
    Is your wife sick?


    Yes, when we got married.

    Yes, several times after marrying, plus during marriage prep (sspx),  He's explained what are just reasons, but all I have are notes I took.

    No.  She is in good health.

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 07:46:49 PM »
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  • If you're dealing with 100% refusal (not just pushing you off most of the time) and have 0 children, I think you have 2 paths -- how to work toward solving the problem OR how to work toward getting out of the situation.

    If your spouse does not intend to have children, then the marriage may be invalid.

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 07:57:31 PM »
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    If you're dealing with 100% refusal (not just pushing you off most of the time) and have 0 children, I think you have 2 paths -- how to work toward solving the problem OR how to work toward getting out of the situation.

    If your spouse does not intend to have children, then the marriage may be invalid.


    Its not 100% but its the majority of the time I try, and when she consents she's very passive.  We've tried working it our with our trad pastor, 2 different ones, but each time they just gave theological advise.  It was impersonal, and each time just one time.  I'd have to keep asking for another appointment a few times, and couldn't get the priest to follow through.  

    So we went to a marriage counselor (happens to be a conservative novus ordo priest, and licensed counselor).  It helped a lot with communication and understanding each other, and the conjugal life did improve.  But he discontinued it thinking we were okay, but this problem has continued.  He never went into the morality of the marriage debt.

    So either we go back to this counselor-priest (he's planning on moving to another diocese I think), try again with our trad pastor (who frankly I lost trust in), I just bear it and hope she changes, or if she doesn't at some point separate temporarily.  What else could I do?


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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #11 on: November 13, 2016, 08:19:54 PM »
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  • Communication!

    Until you break through to the reason why she's pushing you off, you won't be able to resolve the problem. If it takes visiting the counselor to get her to open up, then that's what you should do. I'm not surprised that you don't get very far with your Trad priest as it does take a certain calling to be able to help people get to the real heart of the problem and they generally have dozens of other (easier) things demanding their attention.

    Some possibilities:
    - uninterested in physical relations and not aware that it's her duty even if she doesn't feel like it
    - afraid of pregnancy / children ... is she a stay-at-home wife or would children force her into a major life change?
    - unhappy with you and/or her life in general ... there could be as little as one real problem upsetting her and everything else can fall into the pattern of general unhappiness

    Try investing a good deal of time talking to her without expecting anything in return. Offer the short-term suffering up for the long-term good of your marriage. And, pray often -- both with her and for her.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 13, 2016, 08:37:08 PM »
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    Communication!

    Until you break through to the reason why she's pushing you off, you won't be able to resolve the problem. If it takes visiting the counselor to get her to open up, then that's what you should do. I'm not surprised that you don't get very far with your Trad priest as it does take a certain calling to be able to help people get to the real heart of the problem and they generally have dozens of other (easier) things demanding their attention.

    Some possibilities:
    - uninterested in physical relations and not aware that it's her duty even if she doesn't feel like it
    - afraid of pregnancy / children ... is she a stay-at-home wife or would children force her into a major life change?
    - unhappy with you and/or her life in general ... there could be as little as one real problem upsetting her and everything else can fall into the pattern of general unhappiness

    Try investing a good deal of time talking to her without expecting anything in return. Offer the short-term suffering up for the long-term good of your marriage. And, pray often -- both with her and for her.


    Thank you. Very helpful words.

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #13 on: November 13, 2016, 09:27:44 PM »
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  • Sex isn't about "getting it".  It's an expression of love and pestering or pressuring for sex is not an expression of love.  When a woman feels loved, honored, and cherished she usually wants to have sex with her husband but being pressured or pestered is a total turn off.

    A man needs to woo his wife, not demand his rights.  (not something men in general like to hear)  But romance usually works with a woman!  Not if the romance is used to manipulate though, it must be genuine.  We don't like feeling "used" or manipulated.

    Treat her with a lot of TLC for the next 1,2,3 months with no expectation of a "return" and then talk with her and see if you might be doing something that turns her off.

    Speaking as a woman who has talked with a lot of other women (yes we do talk about sex with one another) I can tell you that husbands have an (unconscious) habit of doing things that douse our ardour and what should be an expression of love becomes a chore and that disappointment leads us to avoid it.  Sex should not be a chore  for either the husband or the wife.

    Just my 2 cents.

    p.s.  if you really think a counsellor is called for do not go to a priest, they know nothing about the sɛҳuąƖ dynamics between men and women, it's just not part of their world.  A conservative married man or woman would be able to give better advice.  

    Think of it this way, would you go to a priest for specific financial advice?  True, he can tell you to be responsible with your money and may be able to give some general advice about the wisdom of savings but he could not give you specific advice about reaching your financial goals.  It's similar with husband/wife issues.  The priest can give you general advice about responsibilities but not detailed advice on how to have a happy and fulfilling married life, for that you need advice from someone who is married.

     

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    Good Reasons for Wife to Refuse Sex?
    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2016, 09:43:53 PM »
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    Sex isn't about "getting it".  It's an expression of love and pestering or pressuring for sex is not an expression of love.  When a woman feels loved, honored, and cherished she usually wants to have sex with her husband but being pressured or pestered is a total turn off.

    A man needs to woo his wife, not demand his rights.  (not something men in general like to hear)  But romance usually works with a woman!  Not if the romance is used to manipulate though, it must be genuine.  We don't like feeling "used" or manipulated.

    Treat her with a lot of TLC for the next 1,2,3 months with no expectation of a "return" and then talk with her and see if you might be doing something that turns her off.

    Speaking as a woman who has talked with a lot of other women (yes we do talk about sex with one another) I can tell you that husbands have an (unconscious) habit of doing things that douse our ardour and what should be an expression of love becomes a chore and that disappointment leads us to avoid it.  Sex should not be a chore  for either the husband or the wife.

    Just my 2 cents.

    p.s.  if you really think a counsellor is called for do not go to a priest, they know nothing about the sɛҳuąƖ dynamics between men and women, it's just not part of their world.  A conservative married man or woman would be able to give better advice.  

    Think of it this way, would you go to a priest for specific financial advice?  True, he can tell you to be responsible with your money and may be able to give some general advice about the wisdom of savings but he could not give you specific advice about reaching your financial goals.  It's similar with husband/wife issues.  The priest can give you general advice about responsibilities but not detailed advice on how to have a happy and fulfilling married life, for that you need advice from someone who is married.

     


    i agree.  i need to work on wooing her better.  the issue lately has been trying to have relations on fertile days.  ill remind her, show romance and affection, but theres a pressure to try during that window of fertility.  and we're getting old, so theres an added urgency.

    more communication, date nights, wooing her.  enduring this issue, praying God resolves it.