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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on March 18, 2021, 07:32:11 PM
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When I went to school and they came to talk of all the great achievements of black Americans, the best they could come up with is George Washington Carver inventing peanut butter. Is that the extent of black American ingenuity in this country? Making a few condiments with peanuts? They spoke of him more than they spoke of important presidents such as Andrew Jackson or Thomas Jefferson. Is George Washington Carver the greatest example of Black Americans in the world? Because he was all they could tell. I guess now we have O-bomb-a but I went to school before he was elected.
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Do a simple Google search on Black inventors. Not hard.
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Listen to Florence Price, W.G. Still, Art Tatum and Scott Joplin — some of the first African-American classical composers and performers.
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Listen to Florence Price, W.G. Still, Art Tatum and Scott Joplin — some of the first African-American classical composers and performers.
Are they better than P-Diddy?
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When I went to school and they came to talk of all the great achievements of black Americans, the best they could come up with is George Washington Carver inventing peanut butter. Is that the extent of black American ingenuity in this country? Making a few condiments with peanuts? They spoke of him more than they spoke of important presidents such as Andrew Jackson or Thomas Jefferson. Is George Washington Carver the greatest example of Black Americans in the world? Because he was all they could tell. I guess now we have O-bσɱb-a but I went to school before he was elected.
Shame on you. Your ignorance is not very becoming. Obviously, you weren’t a very bright student. Had you paid attention in class, or were even smart enough to double check what you thought to be true before you displayed your stupidity for all the world to see, you might have learned that George Washington Carver discovered Penicillin. Or should I say, he discovered the process of mass producing Penicillin from peanuts.
The next time you or a family member is sick and needs Penicillin, Amoxicillin, Augmentin...etc... say a prayer for the happy repose of GWC and thank the Good Lord for the wisdom that he gave him that made your medicine available.
Also remember these thoughts of St Don Bosco before you speak...I paraphrase...
“Is kind?
Is it true?
Does it need to be said?”
Also, the words of Thumpers’ mother from the movie Bambi... “If ya can’t say something nice than don’t say something at all”.
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Are they better than P-Diddy?
Excuse me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioS7CohgKEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s4yY_A2A2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hzFcm6HCeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kACt0FM0Kf8
Maybe it would be a good thing if America became minority white. It would humble some of you greatly.
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Shame on you. Your ignorance is not very becoming. Obviously, you weren’t a very bright student. Had you paid attention in class, or were even smart enough to double check what you thought to be true before you displayed your stupidity for all the world to see, you might have learned that George Washington Carver discovered Penicillin. Or should I say, he discovered the process of mass producing Penicillin from peanuts.
The next time you or a family member is sick and needs Penicillin, Amoxicillin, Augmentin...etc... say a prayer for the happy repose of GWC and thank the Good Lord for the wisdom that he gave him that made your medicine available.
Do you have a source for GWC having developed penicillin?
His achievements were considerable, though no more so than those of many other inventors. But I can't find anything online that indicates he had anything to do with penicillin. I try not to be one of those "sources, please" people, but I can't find anything, so that's why I'm asking.
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Had you paid attention in class, or were even smart enough to double check what you thought to be true before you displayed your stupidity for all the world to see, you might have learned that George Washington Carver discovered Penicillin. Or should I say, he discovered the process of mass producing Penicillin from peanuts.
Please don't read too much into this, but...
You need to learn how THE BELL CURVE works. There are outliers, in each direction.
Also, meditate on this axiom: The exception proves the rule, it doesn't invalidate it.
I've been around the block a few times, and I'm anything but sheltered or naive, so I'll also add this:
If you were to show this post to any "white supremacist" with a half a brain, they will point out the above. If you're expecting to "rock their world" or shatter their worldview because George Washington Carver existed, you are naive to the extreme.
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I'm not American, or Black, but there have been many good African Bishops, Church Fathers, who have blessed the Universal Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers That glorious list includes St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Athanasius of Alexandria. The Church is not just America, where Christianity arrived much later, or any other individual nation alone. She is Universal and has a 2000 year History. Yes, yes, there are racial differences between different people groups, that's true, and of course it has to do with both Nature and Nurture, but it's also true that (1) God made Adam in His Own Image, and we are all descended from Adam. (2) God freely adopts as His Children in Baptism people from every race. (3) Our Lord Jesus Christ shed every drop of His Precious Blood for every single person. (4) As St. Paul says (Acts 17:26), He has made all mankind from one first father, and so we are all related. (5) Those of the same race as you are more closely related to you than others. We should love people of our own race, of course. I do. But we should not condemn or despise or look down on people of a different race and imagine, especially when they are Christians, and Grace has begun to aid Nature, that they can never rise, either materially or spiritually, to great heights. All the races and every person has their own role to play in God's Plan of Salvation. Once upon a happy time, Catholic Europe sent Christian Missionaries to the farthest ends of the world. The time may one day come when Christian missionaries from other parts of the world re-evangelize Europe/America.
Pope Ven. Pius XII famously said, after warning of the Crisis in the Church, and the ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith in the Liturgy etc, as warned by Our Lady of Fatima, that missionaries would one day rise up from Africa, from Asia and from America: "These underdeveloped peoples will save the Church, Eminence. A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God, that His Son is only a symbol, a philosophy like so many others. And in churches, Christians will search for the red lamp where Jesus awaits them, like the sinful woman crying out before the empty tomb: ‘Where have they taken Him?’
Then, priests will rise up from Africa, from Asia, from America, formed here in this seminary of the Missions, who will say and who will proclaim that the ‘bread of life’ is not ordinary bread, that the mother of the God-man is not a mother like others. And they will be cut to pieces to testify that Christianity is not a religion like others, since her head is the Son of God, and the Church is His Church."
From: https://onepeterfive.com/pius-xiis-prophetic-warnings-fatima-ѕυιcιdє-altering-faith-liturgy/ (https://onepeterfive.com/pius-xiis-prophetic-warnings-fatima-ѕυιcιdє-altering-faith-liturgy/)
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Please don't read too much into this, but...
You need to learn how THE BELL CURVE works. There are outliers, in each direction.
WOW! No other way to take it. Why not just say what you really mean, “There are outliers in every race.”
So disappointed! What a lack of charity!
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Dig a bit deeper Lil’ Buckaroo you’ll find it (trying to be funny, not mean). He discovered a way to produce penicillin from peanut oil (he did not invent/discover penicillin).
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Dig a bit deeper Lil’ Buckaroo you’ll find it (trying to be funny, not mean). He discovered a way to produce penicillin from peanut oil (he did not invent/discover penicillin).
If I have now become "Li'l Buckaroo", all I am saying, is that I couldn't find a citation for this anywhere. Doesn't mean he didn't do it, just that it doesn't come up at the top of a Google search.
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WOW! No other way to take it. Why not just say what you really mean, “There are outliers in every race.”
So disappointed! What a lack of charity!
I always say what I mean. We're talking about race here.
And charity has NOTHING AT ALL to do with science. Only about treating our Neighbor with love and respect as God would have us treat him. It doesn't mean lying about him to make him (or anyone else) feel better.
The Bell Curve is a scientific fact. Human beings follow a "bell curve" -shaped distribution when it comes to IQ.
And a plot twist: the middle of the curve falls at a different number for each race.
The conclusions are obvious: you can generalize about races, but not individuals. There are "outliers" which means very slow and very smart, of every race. But statistics are statistics. Scientific data shows that the races are NOT equal on this earth. Just saying.
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...The Bell Curve is a scientific fact. Human beings follow a "bell curve" -shaped distribution when it comes to IQ.
And a plot twist: the middle of the curve falls at a different number for each race....
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. And thanks for showing your true racist / uncharitable colors.
While what you posted may be true, it wasn’t kind and didn’t need to be said.
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When the South was in dire straits Dr. Carver's research on uses for peanuts put people to work. He took a common, cheap agricultural crop and showed how to make it useful and profitable. His fame as a scientist and humanitarian brought attention to a depressed area and earned him respect from whites as well as blacks. Had more Americans listened to Dr. Carver this country would be in better racial shape.
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George Washington Carver: The Making of a Myth
Barry Mackintosh
The Journal of Southern History
Vol. 42, No. 4 (Nov., 1976), pp. 507-528 (22 pages)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xnHELFJI0cJugEWovSiINEtJ9Xwt_kxy/view?usp=sharing
It's clear from the above article that Carver was, unsurprisingly, not a remarkable scientist.
Whenever I hear about a "black genius" (particularly in the sciences) I want to see a picture of the person before I even bother reading more. There are people who are made up of 10% sub-Saharan ancestry and who call themselves black. I might be able to believe a "black" is a genius if he's mostly non-black. If he's mostly black, as is the case with Carver, then I'm immediately suspicious of the claim of genius.
Carver the genius was a media invention, with Henry Ford lending a helping hand in promoting the myth: "Professor Carver has taken Thomas Edison's place as the world's greatest living scientist."
(https://i.imgur.com/7Ar5XdE.jpg)
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This picture always cracks me up:
(https://i.imgur.com/0033dsd.jpg)
Though Tyson looks to be less than 50-60% black, so maybe his non-black blood gives him a modicuм of competence.
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I posted the Tyson pic.
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We should try to uplift one another and not put one another down. Yes, there are genetic differences between different groups of people - some have advantages and some have disadvantages, but everyone is loved by God, made by Him in His Image, and was important enough for Jesus Christ Our Lord to shed His Precious Blood for. We should love one another and work for their spiritual and material improvement. This was the true Catholic Christian spirit that animated the Great Missionaries. St. Peter Claver is a shining example.
"Peter Claver, (Spanish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language): Pedro Claver y Corberó, Catalan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language): Pere Claver i Corberó) (26 June 1580 – 8 September 1654) was a Spanish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people) Jesuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit) priest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priesthood_(Catholic_Church)) and missionary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary) born in Verdú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verd%C3%BA) (Catalonia, Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia,_Spain)) who, due to his life and work, became the patron saint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint) of slaves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery), the Republic of Colombia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia), and ministry to African Americans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans). During the 40 years of his ministry in the New Kingdom of Granada, it is estimated he personally baptized around 300,000 people (in groups of 10) and heard the confessions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confession_(religion)) of over 5,000 slaves per year. He is also patron saint for seafarers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_shipping). He is considered a heroic example of what should be the Christian praxis of love and of the exercise of human rights.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-2) The Congress of the Republic of Colombia declared September 9 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar#September) as the Human Rights national Day in his honor."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver
Also: "Whereas Sandoval had visited the slaves where they worked, Claver preferred to head for the wharf as soon as a slave ship entered the port. Boarding the ship, he entered the filthy and diseased holds to treat and minister to their badly treated, terrified human cargo, who had survived a voyage of several months under horrible conditions. It was difficult to move around on the ships, because the slave traffickers filled them to capacity. The slaves were often told they were being taken to a land where they would be eaten. Claver wore a cloak, which he would lend to anyone in need. A legend arose that whoever wore the cloak received lifetime health and was cured of all disease. After the slaves were herded from the ship and penned in nearby yards to be scrutinized by crowds of buyers, Claver joined them with medicine, food, bread, lemons. With the help of interpreters and pictures which he carried with him, he gave basic instructions.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-ewtn-8)
Claver saw the slaves as fellow Christians, encouraging others to do so as well. During the season when slavers were not accustomed to arrive, he traversed the country, visiting plantation after plantation, to give spiritual consolation to the slaves.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-9) During his 40 years of ministry it is estimated that he personally catechized and baptized 300,000 slaves. He would then follow up on them to ensure that as Christians they received their Christian and civil rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights). His mission extended beyond caring for slaves, however. He preached in the city square, to sailors and traders and conducted country missions, returning every spring to visit those he had baptized, ensuring that they were treated humanely. During these missions, whenever possible he avoided the hospitality of planters and overseers; instead, he would lodge in the slave quarters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_quarters).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-peterclaver1-4)
Claver's work on behalf of slaves did not prevent him from ministering to the souls of well-to-do members of society, traders and visitors to Cartagena (including Muslims and English Protestants) and condemned criminals, many of whom he spiritually prepared for death; he was also a frequent visitor at the city's hospitals. Through years of unremitting toil and the force of his own unique personality, the slaves' situation slowly improved. In time he became a moral force, the Apostle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostle_(Christian)) of Cartagena.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-peterclaver1-4)...
He was canonized (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonization) in 1888 by Pope Leo XIII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIII), along with the holy Jesuit porter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_(monastery)), Alphonsus Rodriguez (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonsus_Rodriguez). In 1896 Pope Leo also declared Claver the patron of missionary work among all African peoples.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-suau-3) His body is preserved and venerated in the church of the Jesuit residence, now renamed in his honor.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Claver#cite_note-10)"