Author Topic: gαy priests vow of Celibacy (Read 3082 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** January 06, 2013, 11:51:21 AM »

I would like to ask this question that is important to me.

If a g a y priest falls into sin and commits an act of sodomy , is he then absolved of this sin when they say at t he altar during Mass, wash away my iniquity and cleanse me from my sins.
Or does he have to confess his sin before they officiate at Mass?

Sorry, I have just always wondered about this.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2013, 12:50:20 PM »

Any priest conscious of committing grave sin must himself confess his sins to another priest and be absolved in the sacrament of penance before he offers Mass and receives Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament again. The sacrament of penance is necessary for salvation for all those who have fallen into grave sin after baptism. If he knowingly and willingly does not, he would compound his first sin with the added sin of sacrilege.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2013, 01:10:51 PM »

He also has to sincerely and honestly repent of his sin.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2013, 01:42:09 PM »

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Any priest conscious of committing grave sin must himself confess his sins to another priest and be absolved in the sacrament of penance before he offers Mass and receives Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament again. The sacrament of penance is necessary for salvation for all those who have fallen into grave sin after baptism. If he knowingly and willingly does not, he would compound his first sin with the added sin of sacrilege.

Where did you get this from? Priests can validly say mass and administer the sacraments in a state of mortal sin. Teaching of the church! Shows the level of ignorence of some trad Catholics.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2013, 01:56:50 PM »

ROME, 8 FEB. 2005 (ZENIT)
Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University.

Q: If a priest is in the state of mortal sin, is his Mass and/or consecration of the Eucharist viable? I understand someone would not know if a priest is in this state, but Our Lord would know. — A.A., Springfield, Massachusetts

A: When receiving or celebrating the sacraments, the priest is subject to the same requirements of sanctity and state of grace as every other Catholic; that is, the state of grace is required for fruitful reception of all sacraments except those that actually forgive sins.

Therefore a priest who is in a state of mortal sin should seek to confess as soon as possible and refrain from celebrating the sacraments until he has done so.

Normally, to celebrate Mass or receive Communion while in a state of mortal sin would be to commit a sacrilege. Yet, the sacrament would be valid; that is, there would be a true consecration and a true sacrifice.

The reason is: Christ is the principal actor of the sacraments, so they are efficacious even when performed by an unworthy minister.

As St. Thomas Aquinas says: Christ may act even through a minister who is spiritually dead.

However, a priest who has fallen into mortal sin, but who is unable to make his confession despite his desire to do so, may celebrate Mass for the benefit of the faithful without adding a further sin of sacrilege.

Thus, as Canon 916 of the Code of Canon Law states: "A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible (see also Canon 1335)."

Note that the code requires a grave reason in order to avail of this exception.

One such grave reason is based on the principle of the good of souls. If a priest is required to celebrate Mass or a soul requests the sacrament of reconciliation, the anointing of the sick, or indeed any other sacrament from this priest that would have to be performed before he can avail of confession, then he may, and usually must, administer the sacrament.

A second grave reason stems from the danger of infamy by publicly revealing the state of one's soul.

This can occur in the case of a priest in isolated circuмstances when there is no one else to perform the usual celebrations. There is no need for him to do anything that might lead people to suspect his lack of a state of grace.

Even in the case that the priest, or any other person, has secretly committed a grave crime, which would normally lead to his or her being automatically forbidden to receive the sacraments, Church law (in Canon 1352) foresees the possibility of the penalty being suspended to avoid infamy or scandal, to wit:

"§1. If a penalty prohibits the reception of the sacraments or sacramentals, the prohibition is suspended as long as the offender is in danger of death.

"§2. The obligation to observe an undeclared 'latae sententiae' penalty which is not notorious in the place where the offender is present, is suspended totally or partially whenever the offender cannot observe it without danger of grave scandal or infamy."

Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:08:08 PM »

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Any priest conscious of committing grave sin must himself confess his sins to another priest and be absolved in the sacrament of penance before he offers Mass and receives Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament again. The sacrament of penance is necessary for salvation for all those who have fallen into grave sin after baptism. If he knowingly and willingly does not, he would compound his first sin with the added sin of sacrilege.

Where did you get this from? Priests can validly say mass and administer the sacraments in a state of mortal sin. Teaching of the church! Shows the level of ignorence of some trad Catholics.

Nowhere does the above quoted post say that a Mass celebrated by a priest in mortal sin is invalid. The post says that it is sacrilege. It is, unless there is some overwhelming reason such as the need of the faithful for the Mass and the moral unavailability of a priest with jurisdiction to hear confessions.. A priest who is guilty of mortal sin has to confess and be absolved of that sin like every other Catholic. It doesn't matter what the mortal sin is.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:09:38 PM »

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However, a priest who has fallen into mortal sin, but who is unable to make his confession despite his desire to do so, may celebrate Mass for the benefit of the faithful without adding a further sin of sacrilege.

Thus, as Canon 916 of the Code of Canon Law states: "A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible (see also Canon 1335)."

You got it! We will have to ask Hobbles to research this.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:10:19 PM »

Quote from: Guest

ROME, 8 FEB. 2005 (ZENIT)
Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University.

Q: If a priest is in the state of mortal sin, is his Mass and/or consecration of the Eucharist viable? I understand someone would not know if a priest is in this state, but Our Lord would know. — A.A., Springfield, Massachusetts

A: When receiving or celebrating the sacraments, the priest is subject to the same requirements of sanctity and state of grace as every other Catholic; that is, the state of grace is required for fruitful reception of all sacraments except those that actually forgive sins.

Therefore a priest who is in a state of mortal sin should seek to confess as soon as possible and refrain from celebrating the sacraments until he has done so.

Normally, to celebrate Mass or receive Communion while in a state of mortal sin would be to commit a sacrilege. Yet, the sacrament would be valid; that is, there would be a true consecration and a true sacrifice.

The reason is: Christ is the principal actor of the sacraments, so they are efficacious even when performed by an unworthy minister.

As St. Thomas Aquinas says: Christ may act even through a minister who is spiritually dead.

However, a priest who has fallen into mortal sin, but who is unable to make his confession despite his desire to do so, may celebrate Mass for the benefit of the faithful without adding a further sin of sacrilege.

Thus, as Canon 916 of the Code of Canon Law states: "A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible (see also Canon 1335)."

Note that the code requires a grave reason in order to avail of this exception.

One such grave reason is based on the principle of the good of souls. If a priest is required to celebrate Mass or a soul requests the sacrament of reconciliation, the anointing of the sick, or indeed any other sacrament from this priest that would have to be performed before he can avail of confession, then he may, and usually must, administer the sacrament.

A second grave reason stems from the danger of infamy by publicly revealing the state of one's soul.

This can occur in the case of a priest in isolated circuмstances when there is no one else to perform the usual celebrations. There is no need for him to do anything that might lead people to suspect his lack of a state of grace.

Even in the case that the priest, or any other person, has secretly committed a grave crime, which would normally lead to his or her being automatically forbidden to receive the sacraments, Church law (in Canon 1352) foresees the possibility of the penalty being suspended to avoid infamy or scandal, to wit:

"§1. If a penalty prohibits the reception of the sacraments or sacramentals, the prohibition is suspended as long as the offender is in danger of death.

"§2. The obligation to observe an undeclared 'latae sententiae' penalty which is not notorious in the place where the offender is present, is suspended totally or partially whenever the offender cannot observe it without danger of grave scandal or infamy."

Perfectly expressed.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:21:38 PM »

Agreed. The priest commits a sacrilege, but the sacrament is valid. Remember further, the priest is bound to communicate at each Mass he offers. Knowing this obligation, the priest who is about to say Mass cannot ordinarily depend merely on perfect contrition, but must have recourse to the sacrament of penance. The following is relevant,

Quote from: St.Thomas

And therefore it is manifest that whoever receives this sacrament while in mortal sin, is guilty of lying to this sacrament, and consequently of sacrilege, because he profanes the sacrament: and therefore he sins mortally.

Quote from: St.Thomas, Whether the priest who consecrates is bound to receive this sacrament?

On the contrary, We read in the acts of the (Twelfth) Council of Toledo (Can. v), and again (De Consecr., dist. 2): "It must be strictly observed that as often as the priest sacrifices the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ upon the altar, he must himself be a partaker of Christ's body and blood."

Quote from: Trent

And lest so great a sacrament be received unworthily and hence unto death and condemnation, this holy council ordains and declares that sacramental confession, when a confessor can be had, must necessarily be made beforehand by those whose conscience is burdened with mortal sin, however contrite they may consider themselves. Moreover, if anyone shall presume to teach, preach or obstinately assert, or in public disputation defend the contrary, he shall be eo ipso excommunicated.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2013, 02:55:59 PM »

If a gαy priest: Was he gαy before ordination? If so, he was not in the state of grace and did not receive the sacrament of ordination. A gαy priest is no priest to begin with.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2013, 04:09:28 PM »

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not even supposed to be admitted to any Catholic seminary, let alone be priests.

The early Church Fathers made this absolutely clear. St. Peter Damien made it crystal clear, and he is a Doctor of the Church.

If it was true then it is true now.

Think about what kind of advice souls will be getting in the Confessional if the Church Fathers and a Doctor of the Church are too hard to research.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:40:58 PM »

Welcome to the real world of New Order! ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are just the ones that the seminaries desire and have for at least 50 decades. Watch the restructuring of New Order and surprises to come! When annoyomous people start a post as this, they just are playing tricks in my mind like the rooster that laid an egg on the roof and which way did the egg go!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2013, 08:57:23 PM »

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If a gαy priest: Was he gαy before ordination? If so, he was not in the state of grace and did not receive the sacrament of ordination. A gαy priest is no priest to begin with.

This is Donatism: a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ does indeed receive the Sacrament of Ordination validly as long as he is a biological male and baptized. However, such a person receives the Sacrament sacrilegiously.

Don't confuse the Sacraments that impress an indelible character (Baptism, Confirmation, Sacred Orders), with those that don't (such as Penance, Holy Communion, Extreme Unction and Holy Matrimony).

Please study your catechism before you post.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2013, 10:22:09 PM »

Well, ordained 'gαy' priests and bishops have all been called out since the abuse scandal. How did they even get that far?
Plus priests with gαy tendancy were ordained pre V2. You should know that. That isn't in the Catechism, its a known fact.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2013, 10:47:35 PM »

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Well, ordained 'gαy' priests have all been called out since the abuse scandal. How did they even get that far?
Plus priests with gαy tendancy were ordained pre V2. You should know that. That isn't in the Catechism, its a known fact.

Yes, the deviant clerics caused the abuse scandals of today, as they have in ages past.

However, they were validly ordained.

How they got that far was because of the Vatican's "boys'-club" polity, whereby they discard the lives of millions of abuse victims for the sake of what is known in Rome as the bella figura of the hierarchy, even though the bishops as a whole have lost all credibility on account of their complicity and outright active endeavors to hide the crimes of the pervert clerics and bully the victims into either submission or scandalize them to the point of a complete lapse from the Church.

But the problem is even deeper.

It is because the Seminarians of ages past did not get good spiritual direction in some cases (mostly because of the laxity of confessors due to certain sins related to the 6th and 9th Commandments). In fact, as Fr. Arintero wrote in the preface to his book The Mystical Evolution, the biggest problem of the Church (this was in the late 19th, early 20th centuries) was that few souls got the spiritual direction they needed. Few souls will ever attain to their calling in the interior life (that is, attain to the innermost mansions of the Interior Castle) because of incompetent spiritual directors who do not have the experience and wisdom to guide them beyond the purgative and illuminative ways. Add to this the infiltration of the modernists after the rape of Europe during the World Wars and you have the recipe for ecclesiastical disaster.

Basically, this is what happened:

Dishonesty and deviancy in individual cases

+ poor spiritual direction

+ lax government of discipline in Seminaries and Religious houses

+ the infiltration of modernism

+ the devastating spiritual retardation consequent upon the aforementioned factors in the interior life of these clerics

+ the nefarious influence of the post-Great War world that was heading more and more to the "errors of Russia" of which Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima warned us

+ a man-centered and subjectivist mindset that ultimately leads to moral and spiritual degradation and even most base vices in the private lives of clerics

+ the growing modernist pestilence amongst the upper hierarchs at Rome and the hierarchy's negligence thereat
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the present-day scandals and the crisis in the Church.

This was the case in the "good ol' days" and it is still the case now.

Deviants and perverts should never have been allowed to even consider the Seminary or Religious life as a viable option.

Also, the Priests need more formation in psychology in order to deal with penitents with mental disorders, and most forms of sɛҳuąƖ deviance (especially those originating with self-abuse) either are caused by mental disorders or are a concomitant therewith (such as psychological trauma linked to early sɛҳuąƖ abuse, drug addiction, &c.).

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