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Re: gαy FSSP priests?
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2018, 05:14:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on October 29, 2018, 08:12:03 PM
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    Unless the OP has something to go on besides "it entered his mind" that these people are homos, this is terrible advice.  If he is wrong and he's going about warning all the parents then he's just created a major scandal, ruined reputations, and possibly alienated people from religion.  It's not better to err on the side of caution unless he has a credible reason.  There is no "side of caution" in what you're recommending.  There's reckless abandon to ill-conceived prejudice with the effect of calumny and widespread scandal.  
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    We just watched a national circus where people's intuition about a man's demeanor reinforced pre-conceived, pre-judged conclusions about his sɛҳuąƖ deviance.  And I'm pretty sure we were all abhorred by it (and rightfully so).  And now there's a thread like this, with advice like this.
    Advice over a forum lacks the most important element, presence. If we are not there to see and judge for ourselves, it is difficult to come to a conclusion. The conclusion is a long process that one comes to by observing. The first step is to start observing, keeping an eye on their behavior with their potential targets. That is why I said to keep a close eye on those priests. In keeping a closer eye on them, it goes way beyond "it entered his mind" , then one has to start taking action, first by watching over the altar boys. I hope I have made myself clearer.
    As far as the "national circus", I had to think of what you were talking about, then it occurred to that the writer was talking about the Kavanaugh hearings. I never watched more than like 1 minute snippet of a critique of the Ford woman on some YouTube video. One should not use any media "news" and "hearings" as examples for how to conduct life.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #31 on: October 30, 2018, 05:17:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on October 29, 2018, 08:12:03 PM
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    Unless the OP has something to go on besides "it entered his mind" that these people are homos, this is terrible advice.  If he is wrong and he's going about warning all the parents then he's just created a major scandal, ruined reputations, and possibly alienated people from religion.  It's not better to err on the side of caution unless he has a credible reason.  There is no "side of caution" in what you're recommending.  There's reckless abandon to ill-conceived prejudice with the effect of calumny and widespread scandal.  
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    We just watched a national circus where people's intuition about a man's demeanor reinforced pre-conceived, pre-judged conclusions about his sɛҳuąƖ deviance.  And I'm pretty sure we were all abhorred by it (and rightfully so).  And now there's a thread like this, with advice like this.
    Advice over a forum lacks the most important element, presence. If we are not there to see and judge for ourselves, it is difficult to come to a conclusion. The conclusion is a long process that one comes to by observing. The first step is to start observing, keeping an eye on their behavior with their potential targets. That is why I said to keep a close eye on those priests. In keeping a closer eye on them, it goes way beyond "it entered his mind" , then one has to start taking action, first by watching over the altar boys. I hope I have made myself clearer.

    As far as the "national circus", I had to think of what the writer was talking about. Then it occurred to me that the writer was talking about the Kavanaugh hearings. You see, I never watched more than like 1 minute snippet of a critique of the Ford woman on some YouTube video. One should not use any mass media "news" and "hearings" as examples for how to conduct life.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #32 on: October 30, 2018, 07:46:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on October 29, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
    Sure.  By leaders in the organization who, owing to experience and training, were skilled at and regularly exposed to making those types of judgments (and even at that they sometimes failed miserably-- again, look at Urrigoity).  

    Well, most of us were suspicious of Urrutigoity and companions the entire time.  And we were not privy to the warning from the Argentinian seminary rector either.  With most of these guys, it was rather obvious.  We felt that they were under someone's protection in the SSPX.  No proof, and no names, but complaints about their behavior were generally met with hostility.  We were given the impression that Urrutigoity could do no wrong.  I know of a seminarian (with whom I was close), who was transferred (to St. Mary's) and ultimately dismissed after he complained about Urrutigoity's behavior and shared his perception that Urrutigoity was a Modernist.  He alleges also that Urrutigoity revealed things from spiritual direction ... which is considered an indirect violation of the seal of Confession.  But that was met with even deeper hostility.  People who locked horns with Urrutigoity often found their time with the SSPX greatly shortened.  It was obvious that Urrutigoity had a circle of pals around him at the seminary, and some of us complained about what we perceived to be "particular friendships", as they were called, ... which were supposed to be discouraged at the seminary.  Other people got called out for these, but not Urrutigoity, who developed a cult following there.  And we only later discovered that the Argentinian rector had warned about PRECISELY that, to keep an eye on Urrutigoity trying to foster particular friendships.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #33 on: October 30, 2018, 07:51:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on October 29, 2018, 08:12:03 PM
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    Unless the OP has something to go on besides "it entered his mind" that these people are homos, this is terrible advice.  If he is wrong and he's going about warning all the parents then he's just created a major scandal, ruined reputations, and possibly alienated people from religion.  It's not better to err on the side of caution unless he has a credible reason.  There is no "side of caution" in what you're recommending.  There's reckless abandon to ill-conceived prejudice with the effect of calumny and widespread scandal.  
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    We just watched a national circus where people's intuition about a man's demeanor reinforced pre-conceived, pre-judged conclusions about his sɛҳuąƖ deviance.  And I'm pretty sure we were all abhorred by it (and rightfully so).  And now there's a thread like this, with advice like this.

    No, obviously the OP wouldn't go off just his own perceptions.  I would bounce my sentiments off a couple other sensible men at the chapel (women usually have a very poor "gαydar"), and if several sensible mature men agree about the perception, he most certainly needs to be watched like a hawk.  How many people subjected their children to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse due to the "charity" of not wanting to "jump to conclusions".  In many cases, you can spot a gαy man 10 miles away.  And if these folks were that interested in preserving their reputations, they should have worked harder to root out various effeminate behaviors which would have them being the subject of this kind of speculation ... and/or their organization should not have ordained them.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #34 on: October 30, 2018, 09:46:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 30, 2018, 05:17:18 AM
    One should not use any mass media "news" and "hearings" as examples for how to conduct life.
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    That was my point to you.  Kavanaugh was railroaded on feminine intuition and prejudice, and then everything he did was interpreted in light of the pre-determined view of him.  Unjust and irrational.
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    There's no substantial difference between that behavior and going around telling people that someone (priest, fake priest, or anyone) is a predator based on nothing other than an inarticulate and unsubstantiated "hunch."  Even worse to justify such behavior on the grounds that it's the allegedly "safe" route. 
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    If the OP has good reason, then ring the town bell.  But this is a real situation with real people involved so he needs a good reason-- and he's failed to offer more than "it entered his mind" and that he "doesn't like" his priest.  That's not a proper standard in any remotely civilized or even barely Christian society.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #35 on: October 30, 2018, 09:46:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 09:46:01 AM
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    That was my point to you.  Kavanaugh was railroaded on feminine intuition and prejudice, and then everything he did was interpreted in light of the pre-determined view of him.  Unjust and irrational.
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    There's no substantial difference between that behavior and going around telling people that someone (priest, fake priest, or anyone) is a predator based on nothing other than an inarticulate and unsubstantiated "hunch."  Even worse to justify such behavior on the grounds that it's the allegedly "safe" route.  
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    If the OP has good reason, then ring the town bell.  But this is a real situation with real people involved so he needs a good reason-- and he's failed to offer more than "it entered his mind" and that he "doesn't like" his priest.  That's not a proper standard in any remotely civilized or even barely Christian society.
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    Sorry, this was me.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #36 on: October 30, 2018, 09:48:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 30, 2018, 07:51:48 AM
    No, obviously the OP wouldn't go off just his own perceptions.  I would bounce my sentiments off a couple other sensible men at the chapel (women usually have a very poor "gαydar"), and if several sensible mature men agree about the perception, he most certainly needs to be watched like a hawk.  How many people subjected their children to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse due to the "charity" of not wanting to "jump to conclusions".  In many cases, you can spot a gαy man 10 miles away.  And if these folks were that interested in preserving their reputations, they should have worked harder to root out various effeminate behaviors which would have them being the subject of this kind of speculation ... and/or their organization should not have ordained them.
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    And this seems a prudent way to manage the matter.  Observe and then consult with other prudent and sensible minds.  Obviously the risk (if someone is a pederast) is great and needs to be taken seriously.  Part of taking it seriously is dispassionately evaluating whether or not you're actually right in your judgment.
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    Re: gαy FSSP priests?
    « Reply #37 on: November 01, 2018, 02:36:35 PM »
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    • This could be very dangerous. The OP could go off half cocked and accuse the priests and staff (What staff? Are you talking about the janitor and the sacristan?) and cause a terrible situation. 20 years ago my brother in law went out on a date and refused the girl's advances. It entered her mind that  he couldn't possibly be chaste and turned off by her promiscuity so he must be gαy. She told several people her suspicion the next day. Fortunately, most people at school ignored her. 
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