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Re: Future of the SSPX?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 08:49:47 AM »
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  • This is boring, average news from the Conciliar Church. Why are you still following that schismatic group so closely? (the "Church of Vatican II and the New Springtime" or "The Conciliar Church")

    You might as well say EVERY bit of news in the Conciliar Church is related to the SSPX, because the latter is headed back to union with the Conciliar Church.

    Nevertheless, they are distinct today. So we will keep the "Crisis in the Church" subforum and "SSPX/Resistance" subforum separate for now. I'm not going to merge them.

    P.S. This CERTAINLY had no excuse to be posted anonymously. Abuse the anonymous subforum again and I'll edit your post and sign it for you! The anonymous subforum is for sensitive or private matters only. It is for when anonymity is CALLED FOR or you have good reason to be anonymous. 
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    Re: Future of the SSPX?
    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 10:40:05 AM »
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  • In the past, I have receive threatening phone calls after publicly speaking out.  
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    Re: Future of the SSPX?
    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2019, 11:32:45 AM »
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  • In the past, I have receive threatening phone calls after publicly speaking out.  

    Threatening phone calls after posting random, mainstream news articles about the (modern) Catholic Church? This particular story doesn't even seem that unusual or controversial! Millions of novus ordo or even "conservative" Catholics might send this to their friends or post it on their Facebook. That's why I'm calling it out. I don't mean to pick on  you, but it really has me scratching my head why you think this article is super unusual or significant. Novus Ordo Watch posts hundreds of more shocking stories from Novus Ordo land -- every month.

    By the way, you responded to this thread (which is now moved to a public subforum) -- I didn't "out" you. You outed yourself.

    I just don't see what the big deal is -- why you need to post this secretly to avoid threatening phone calls (keeping in mind that even your "identity" Viva Cristo Rey is a pseudonym). If people are seriously threatening you, it can't be because of the content. They might as well threaten your well-being for posting news about the latest NASA Mars rover. Maybe they are annoyed by something else: for example, spamming them or bothering them with news stories? Just a thought. I'm just trying to help here.

    Because this is about as "nothing" of a story as you can get. There's nothing to criticize even, besides the usual Conciliar emphasis on sentimentality and charisma. I've seen thousands of articles about more serious abuses and problems in the Conciliar Church -- just in the past year.

    Is it because you still attend the SSPX and you think you're going to draw ire for posting any criticism whatsoever of the Novus Ordo? This article can hardly be considered criticism. If the SSPX is going to hassle you because of an article like this, it's really over and I mean LONG over for the SSPX -- much worse than anyone thought. As in, "expect tables to be installed in front of altars at SSPX chapels across the country".

    Either way, it's pretty bad for the SSPX when a faithful Catholic parishioner is afraid to shine light on the smallest Novus Ordo foible. The SSPX might not have done or said anything explicit, but what have they done to their parishioners? They've certainly changed the environment, the group thinking, or something.




    ATLANTIC CITY — The fire of the Catholic community of South Jersey was bright and blazing here this week at Harrah’s Conference Center, with the hope that it will continue to burn and glow for years to come through its churches, schools and homes.
    The Diocese of Camden’s Convocation of Catholic Leaders: Joy of the Gospel in South Jersey took place March 25-28, gathering an estimated 650 lay leaders and their pastors for four days of engaging speakers, inspiring witness, prayer, worship and dialogue on creating a culture of missionary discipleship.
    The diversity of the Catholic community of South Jersey — from Black Catholics to Hispanic Catholics to Filipino Catholics, to young and seasoned lay leaders — was on display on the conference center floor.
    “You will lay the path for the diocese, creating a ripple effect” through its lands, said Donna Ottaviano-Britt during her welcome to attendees Monday afternoon.
    Ottaviano-Britt, diocesan director of Missionary Discipleship, was one of the emcees for the occasion, along with Deacon Anthony Cioe of Saints Peter and Paul Parish in Turnersville, director of ManUp South Jersey.
    In the opening liturgy following the welcoming, held, not coincidentally, on the feast of the Annunciation, Bishop Dennis Sullivan expressed the hope that all gathered would, like Mary, in affirming “yes” to being the Mother of God, “accept our role in God’s plan of evangelization.”
    “May what happens here this week strengthen, build up, direct, encourage, refresh and renew our church,” he said.
    By the evening, meditation leader ValLimar Jansen had Bishop Dennis Sullivan and other participants on their feet and excited.
    Photos by Mike Walsh

    Monday’s and Tuesday’s events included plenary presentations from such speakers as Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark; Julianne Stanz, director of Discipleship and Leadership Development in the Diocese of Green Bay, Wisconsin; and Hosffman Ospino of Boston College, School of Theology and Ministry, along with workshops, a Eucharistic celebration, and praise and worship.
    Stanz stressed that life’s top priorities should be JOY (Jesus, Others, Yourself), and finding and knowing our own journey, our own story of faith.
    “We have to bring our story, our heart and our love of the church to others with joy,” she said.
    Ospino said the foundation for “building Catholicism with joyful hearts,” starts with “a return to Jesus, a focus on the Gospels, investment in Catholic youth, welcoming the immigrant church, and evangelizing with joy.”
    Witness talks were scattered throughout the conference, from wife and husband Kathy and Michael O’Callaghan; Millet LoCosale, director of Youth Ministry at Egg Harbor Township’s Saint Katharine Drexel Parish; and Sister Joseph, CFR, who described the joy members of her community find in encountering the Lord, and the daily grace they receive from a life lived for him.
    “In Jesus, I feel so known, so safe, and so loved unconditionally,” Sister Joseph said.
    “Being a disciple is a journey of ongoing conversion. I want to fall more in love with the Lord.  Loving him, makes we want to love his people more,” the Franciscan Sister of the Renewal said during an evening of adoration that included her Sisters from Atlantic City, and Father Glenn Sudano, a Franciscan Friar of the Renewal from New York.
    Convocation reflects both joy and challenge
    On Tuesday afternoon, especially noticeable after a rousing Eucharistic celebration led by the Diocesan Gospel Choir, was the joy on young and old faces. It was present and palpable in the hallways and the conference rooms and around the dinner tables.
    “Right from the start, I felt a great spirit,” said Sister Dorothy “Dot” Urban, part of the parish delegation from Egg Harbor Township’s Saint Katharine Drexel Parish, where she is a pastoral associate. “There have been inspirational and practical speakers, and wonderful music.”

    Participants pray during the opening Mass of the Convocation of Catholic Leaders on Monday, March 25. The gathering lasted until Thursday, March 28.
    Photo by Mary McCusker

    Gazing around at the many energetic young adult faces at her own parish dinner table, and at others’, she called out a need for more youthful faces and voices in the church.
    “We have to get young people involved if we want a church to survive,” she said.
    Lainey Whitney, from Saint Mary of Mount Carmel in Hammonton, in attendance with her husband, Kevin, agreed with Cardinal Tobin in his assertion that the Catholic Church needed to close the gap between faith and life.
    “We need to inspire others, especially families, going beyond the church’s walls to bring joy back into the church space,” Whitney urged.
    “The time has been enlightening,” said Deacon Russell Davis, who, along with his wife, Susan, was part of the delegation from the Parish of All Saints, Millville.
    “There is great potential going forward with ideas that will strengthen the church,” he said.
    A full recap of the convocation, which continued until March 28, will be included in the April 5 issue of the Catholic Star Herald.
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    Re: Future of the SSPX?
    « Reply #4 on: March 30, 2019, 08:30:51 PM »
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  • Something seems odd on both sides here.  

    Why should anyone be threatened after posting a novus ordo nonsense article?  Does Viva believe in it?  I highly doubt it.  Does Viva mistakenly think CathInfo members will be shocked by it and need therefore to be educated about it?  Certainly not!  Is someone from her SSPX chapel spying on her activities and outing her to whatever priest is at her chapel?  Maybe, but why would attaching her name to this article be threatening to anyone?  Is she paranoid?  Maybe.  Perhaps someone in her chapel is reporting on any contribution to this forum?  If so, as Matthew says, the Society has fallen farther than even he imagined.  

    Second question; Why such a strong reaction from Matthew over the improper use of the Anonymous thread?  Has nobody ever started a discussion under the wrong category before?  Maybe I'll be blasted for my placement of this comment?  

    BTW, if it is true that someone at Viva's SSPX chapel is monitoring her on-line activities and reporting on them to her priest, it's high time to remove herself from that chapel.  She's endangering her faith by remaining in a cult-like environment.  A tree is known by its fruits.  Fear of threatening phone calls and paranoia do not come from the Holy Ghost.  If that means praying home alone, accept that it's what Our Lord wants.

    This entire thread is just, well, strange!  Not even sure why I responded except that Matthew's reaction seemed too strong.  


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    Re: Future of the SSPX?
    « Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 10:21:04 PM »
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  • Matthew sometimes surprises us. I am pleased that, at last, he has taken some action to crack down on one (well it's a start and I hope it continues) unnecessarily anonymous poster. 

    What I don't like is when these anonymous posters are so brave in throwing insults at and ridiculing posters who identify themselves. (Viva would never do that.)

    I want to thank Matthew for this.
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    Re: Future of the SSPX?
    « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 11:35:49 AM »
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  • Matthew sometimes surprises us. I am pleased that, at last, he has taken some action to crack down on one (well it's a start and I hope it continues) unnecessarily anonymous poster.

    What I don't like is when these anonymous posters are so brave in throwing insults at and ridiculing posters who identify themselves. (Viva would never do that.)

    I want to thank Matthew for this.

    I've cracked down once or twice before, recently.

    I even mentioned "I don't mean to pick on you..."

    I can't promise complete fairness with regards to enforcement -- any more than the police can promise the citizens that NO reckless drivers or speeders get off the hook, in order to pull you over right now. They do their best. Some bad guys get through. What are the cops supposed to do, let EVERYONE off the hook just because they can't promise 100% punishment of violators?

    Well, in the case of CathInfo, it's my decision. I'm going to do with any police department does: deal with crime the best they can, enforcing the law whenever it comes to their attention, and being at peace with the fact that a few violators will slip through the cracks.

    I have to crack down on abuse of the Anonymous subforum, because several members have abused it in the past.

    If there is *any* chance that the person needs anonymity for a legit reason, I give it to them. I give them the benefit of the doubt. But trolls or members merely trying to escape the downvote button for their insane ideas? Not OK. Ditto for posting things that just don't belong here. Remember, the whole forum is already anonymous. You can choose whatever member name you like, and no one forces anyone to give the first tidbit of personal information about themselves. You can be as open or as secretive as you want with your personal life details.
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