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FSSP Masses?
« on: July 10, 2014, 10:46:27 PM »
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  • What are your thoughts on the FSSP?

    Husband wants to go to the FSSP exclusively now. He is very hostile towards the SSPX.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 10:48:45 PM »
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  • I am all in favor of them.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 10:54:46 PM »
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  • FSSP Mass is great.  It's in Latin, it's typically full of reverent people, it's growing, and best of all--it's recognized.

    Fr. Timothy Dolan, over at my parish, managed to host the FSSP while they were looking for a home in this town (they were formerly based in an old building on the bad side of town).  Fr. Tim fell in love with the Latin Mass, and these days, he seems to prefer it.  It's great when I hear him talk about how proud he is of his parishioners.  Sts. Peter and Paul parish has come a long way.  Fr. Tim has continued the Tridentine Mass in our parish, even though it's not an official FSSP parish.  It's just plain Catholic.  

    I'm even starting to see hints here and there of the Hispanic and American population coming together bit by bit.  It's taking time, but the universal language of the Church is unifying groups that typically avoid each other.  More must be done, of course.  But Tradition is the answer, nonetheless.  
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    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 11:07:12 PM »
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  • My local FSSP parish has grown exponentially. It has over 500 parishioners now, thanks to the great works of his excellent priests. It is a very reverent liturgy. Huge families, hundreds of babies and children. For the most part, they are very orthodox and conservative.

    Best to obey husband.  

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    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 02:14:21 AM »
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  • What are we to think of the Fraternity of St. Peter?

    Since the introduction of the new sacramental rites, Rome had allowed no religious society or congregation exclusive use of the older rites. Then on June 30, 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops to ensure the survival of the traditional priesthood and sacraments, and especially of the traditional Latin Mass.

    Suddenly, within two days, Pope John Paul II recognized (Ecclesia Dei Afflicta, July 2, 1988) the “rightful aspirations” (for these things) of those who wouldn’t support Archbishop Lefebvre’s stance, and offered to give to them what he had always refused the Archbishop. A dozen or so priests of the SSPX accepted this “good will” and broke away to found the Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP).

     The Fraternity of St. Peter is founded upon more than questionable principles, for the following reasons:

    1. It accepts that the Conciliar Church has the power:

    •to take away the Mass of all time (for the  Novus Ordo Missae is not another form of this,  question 5),

    • to grant it to those only who accept the same Conciliar Church’s novel orientations (in life, belief, structures),

    • to declare non-Catholic those who deny this by word or deed (An interpretation of "Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism [of Archbishop Lefebvre] is a grave offense against God and carries the penalty of excommunication." Ecclesia Dei Afflicata), and,

    •to professes itself in a certain way in communion with anyone calling himself “Christian,” and yet to declare itself out of communion with Catholics whose sole crime is wanting to remain Catholic (Vatican II, e.g., Lumen Gentium, §15; Unitatis Redintegratio §3).


    2. In practice, the priests of the Fraternity, having recourse to a Novus Ordo bishop willing to permit the traditional rites and willing to ordain their candidates, they are forced to abandon the fight against the new religion which is being installed:


    • they reject the  Novus Ordo Missae only because it is not their “spirituality” and claim the traditional Latin Mass only in virtue of their “charism” acknowledged them by the pope,

    • they seek to ingratiate themselves with the local bishops, praising them for the least sign of Catholic spirit and keeping quiet on their modernist deviations (unless perhaps it is a question of a diocese where they have no hopes of starting up), even though by doing so they end up encouraging them along their wrong path, and

    •note, for example, the Fraternity’s whole-hearted acceptance of the (New) Catechism of the Catholic Church (question 14), acceptance of Novus Ordo professors in their seminaries, and blanket acceptance of Vatican II’s orthodoxy (question 6).


    They are therefore Conciliar Catholics and not traditional Catholics.

    http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q13_fraternity_of_st_peter.htm


     
     





     
     
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    « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 03:24:20 AM »
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  • As with other things in life there is no clear right or wrong choice.  An FSSP mass with a super sound priest who is not going to praise Francis for saying the word "God" or Jesus or tell you that JP2 was really a saint albeit a confused one, could be an excellent place to go to mass.

    A SSPX chapel where the priest is bordering on insane could be an awful place.

    Like Kane in that TV show Kung Fu you need to wander around sometimes to find where you fit.

    I go to the SSPX now.  Until recently I went to the Latin Mass Society masses but the canonisation of those two bastards was more than I could stand.  If I hear their name in a sermon, spoken in any kind of positive light, it spoils the rest of my day.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 04:06:26 AM »
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    What are your thoughts on the FSSP?

    Husband wants to go to the FSSP exclusively now. He is very hostile towards the SSPX.



    Hostile towards the SSPX so he wants to go to FSSP?

    The SSPX, for all their faults, do not support the NO abomination as the FSSP certainly does.

    If he goes to FSSP, that'll just mean one less compromiser in the SSPX, which is good for the SSPX, and he'll be among those supporting the NO, along with other smell-n-bell compromisers.
     

     





     
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    « Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 05:17:19 AM »
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  • I like the FSSP


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    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 08:20:10 AM »
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  • It depends on your thoughts on the validity of the new rites for the Sacraments, particularly Holy Orders.  FSSP priests are ordained by Novus Order bishops, almost all of whom have been consecrated in the new rite.  If you believe the new rite to be invalid, then they are not actually bishops, and, consequently, the FSSP priests are not actually priests.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 08:24:05 AM »
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  • The issue of orders is one of great importance.

    Most FSSP priests are doubtfully priests, which means their masses are invalid and they cannot absolve you for your sins.

    Even if a given FSSP locale has a priest ordained in the old rite by an old bishop, what of the other priests at this chapel?  If the priest saying mass is valid, what if his assistant, who is not a priest, "consecrated" the hosts for the communion of the faithful?  What if you approach the confessional, not knowing which priest is in there, and it turns out that it's not a real priest in the confessional?


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    « Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 09:22:01 AM »
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    Like Kane in that TV show Kung Fu you need to wander around sometimes to find where you fit.
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    Uncut modernist advice.  
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2014, 10:14:58 AM »
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  • To me the FSSP masses would be the same as the diocesan masses. I wouldn't make it my home unless I believed what they believe. It's not just about the bastard mass vs. the true mass. They accept VII, religious freedom, ecuмenism, etc. I'd stay away if you're a traditional Catholic.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 11, 2014, 11:08:03 AM »
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    Like Kane in that TV show Kung Fu you need to wander around sometimes to find where you fit.
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    Uncut modernist advice.  


    What's your advice?

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    « Reply #13 on: July 11, 2014, 11:10:19 AM »
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    They accept VII, religious freedom, ecuмenism, etc.


    Some do, some don't.

    In some places the FSSP priest is very Traditional.

    To the OP what is your husbands dislike of the SSPX and is it related to the SSPX as a whole or just the chapel you went to?

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    « Reply #14 on: July 11, 2014, 11:43:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggregg

    What's your advice?





    Quote from: Quasimodo
    To me the FSSP masses would be the same as the diocesan masses. I wouldn't make it my home unless I believed what they believe. It's not just about the bastard mass vs. the true mass. They accept VII, religious freedom, ecuмenism, etc. I'd stay away if you're a traditional Catholic.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...