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« on: September 19, 2013, 01:43:40 PM »
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  • If one is a vegetarian or vegan, is there any additional/different penitential obligation on Fridays?  Of course, it is laudable if such a individual chose to do some other type of penance, but is any required?


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    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 01:54:48 PM »
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    If one is a vegetarian or vegan, is there any additional/different penitential obligation on Fridays?  Of course, it is laudable if such a individual chose to do some other type of penance, but is any required?


    Vegetarians gotta stuff their faces with big slabs or rare roast beef on Fridays...


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    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 03:05:20 PM »
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  • Hey... that gives me a GREAT IDEA!!!

    If a vegan "has to eat meat" (I know it was a joke) because it's the OPPOSITE of what a normal Catholic observance of Friday abstinence would be, then let's get all the Novus Ordo people to make all kinds of OPPOSITE things into acts of penance!

    Instead of their usual praying with, for and to whomever, whatever, they have to take on the entire Holy Rosary each Friday. The TRADITIONAL one, with no glow-in-the-dark "luminous" missed-teries.

    Instead of wearing short-shorts and tank tops to "Mess", once a month they have to wear modest clothing.

    See? There's plenty of ways in which doing the OPPOSITE of what every other conciliar cat-lick does would lead them to actual obedience!

    LOL... I know, bad joke.

    Seriously, though, I believe I read many years ago that those who do not eat meat for medical, ethical or other reasons would speak to their priest and have some other food item that they normally consume given up as penance each Friday.

    It's nice to see a thread where the question of how to OBEY the discipline is the issue, not how to excuse one's self from it.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 03:11:32 PM »
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  •  :ready-to-eat:In India and other traditionally vegetarian or vegan cultures, Catholics abstain on Friday from the favourite spice.  In India, they go curryless.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 04:11:37 PM »
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    If one is a vegetarian or vegan, is there any additional/different penitential obligation on Fridays?  Of course, it is laudable if such a individual chose to do some other type of penance, but is any required?


    Vegetarians gotta stuff their faces with big slabs or rare roast beef on Fridays...


     :roll-laugh2:


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    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 07:50:51 PM »
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  • If a person is a "vegetarian" he is essentially practicing a form of paganism.

    If a person abstains from all meat (as the Carmelites do) as a personal sacrifice to God, he performs an heroic act.

    This is simply the fact even though it may seem, at first glance, to be a paradox.  The Church also condemns the person who commits ѕυιcιdє while praising the person who willingly submits to martyrdom.

    If one is abstaining from meat all days, there is no additional requirement to fulfill the Friday abstinence.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 08:55:45 PM »
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    If a person is a "vegetarian" he is essentially practicing a form of paganism.

    If a person abstains from all meat (as the Carmelites do) as a personal sacrifice to God, he performs an heroic act.

    This is simply the fact even though it may seem, at first glance, to be a paradox.  The Church also condemns the person who commits ѕυιcιdє while praising the person who willingly submits to martyrdom.

    If one is abstaining from meat all days, there is no additional requirement to fulfill the Friday abstinence.


    I understand what you are trying to say, but i think you are completely wrong.  There are any number of reasons a person may choose to not eat meat, other than as a sacrifice to God, that would not make the person a "pagan."  Perhaps the person believes it to be healthier.  Perhaps the person does it to save money.  Perhaps the person simply doesn't like meat.

    The point is, it is not as black and white and you suggest.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2013, 12:07:09 PM »
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    If a person is a "vegetarian" he is essentially practicing a form of paganism.

    If a person abstains from all meat (as the Carmelites do) as a personal sacrifice to God, he performs an heroic act.

    This is simply the fact even though it may seem, at first glance, to be a paradox.  The Church also condemns the person who commits ѕυιcιdє while praising the person who willingly submits to martyrdom.

    If one is abstaining from meat all days, there is no additional requirement to fulfill the Friday abstinence.


    I understand what you are trying to say, but i think you are completely wrong.  There are any number of reasons a person may choose to not eat meat, other than as a sacrifice to God, that would not make the person a "pagan."  Perhaps the person believes it to be healthier.  Perhaps the person does it to save money.  Perhaps the person simply doesn't like meat.

    The point is, it is not as black and white and you suggest.


    Unfortunately, you are not making the argument for "vegetarianism".

    A person who believes it to be "healthier" is simply an idiot.  Humans are, by their fallen nature, omnivores and the eating of meat is a natural human act.  Meat is, in fact, the most efficient source of many nutrients for a healthy body.  "What God hath made clean, do not thou call common."

    As for the other two reasons given, neither would make a person a "vegetarian", for one who abstain from meat to save money or just doesn't like meat (and even one who ignorantly thinks it is healthy to abstain) is not repulsed by the idea and would gladly accept meat given in hospitality by a host while a person who describes himself as a "vegetarian" would still refuse.  Such refusal, and rudeness, in this case is based on a religious sense even if the individual does not consciously consider it a religious action.

    Why is "vegetarianism" a form of paganism?  Because the individual, himself, describes his being in this way.  He is not simply a man or even a Catholic; but he is a "vegetarian" who happens to hold the Catholic faith.  Just as the so-called chaste "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" describes his essence as one who is sɛҳuąƖly attracted to members of the same sex even if he does not act on this feeling still works to undermine the Catholic faith by way of somehow normalizing this particular perverted tendency to sin in his own mind and in others.  If one is truly living the Catholic faith, no one should know, or even suspect, that another has perverted tendencies and, unless one is living a truly holy life of abstinence, no one should know that one is perpetually abstaining from meat.

    Frankly, it is the motivation behind not eating meat that determines whether it is an act of holy sacrifice or of self-consuming pride.  And, given today's language, it is easy to know the difference.  The individual engaged in self-consuming pride describes himself as a "vegetarian".

    Furthermore, if you look up the word in an older dictionary printed before dictionaries became politically correct, you'll find that the very definition of the word, "vegetarian", indicates that it comes from an old American Indian word that meant "lousy hunter".


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    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2013, 03:48:28 AM »
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  • There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  

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    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2013, 01:35:04 PM »
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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.

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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.

    I have a television in my home and I consider myself a true Catholic. It belongs to my parents. Television is not intrinsically evil. If the shows are good then television is good. Television is bad now because all the channels are run by anti-Christs.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 11:09:26 PM »
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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.

    So you re recommending abstension from the teleision?

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    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 06:39:46 AM »
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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.


    ridiculous

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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.


    Look up what intrinsic means....and then you will retract this ridiculous comment.

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    There are other things that they could abstain from. Television? the Computer?  


    Television is intrinsically evil.  Any person who has one in his or her home is not a true Catholic.


    Look up what intrinsic means....and then you will retract this ridiculous comment.


    I know what it means - an intrinsic evil is something that, by it's very nature, is completely and irredeemably evil.

    I stand by my original comment.