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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on May 13, 2014, 09:24:04 PM
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Vatican City (AFP) - Pope Francis on Monday declared that everyone has the right to be baptised, even aliens should they come knocking on the church's door.
Christians cannot "close the door" to all those who seek baptism even if they are "green men, with a long nose and big ears, like children draw," the pope said at his daily mass, according to Vatican Radio.
"If tomorrow, for example, an expedition of Martians arrives and some of them come to us... and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-baptism-everyone-even-martians-203402253.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory
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Vatican City (AFP) - Pope Francis on Monday declared that everyone has the right to be baptised, even aliens ...
"If tomorrow, for example, an expedition of Martians arrives and some of them come to us... and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-baptism-everyone-even-martians-203402253.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory
There's already a thread on this in the Crisis forum:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Pope-Francis-Even-Martians-have-a-right-to-be-baptized (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Pope-Francis-Even-Martians-have-a-right-to-be-baptized)
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
Dogs are incapable of asking for baptism on their own.
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ah lets baptise them anyway! :popcorn:
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
Dogs are incapable of asking for baptism on their own.
So are infants.
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
Dogs are incapable of asking for baptism on their own.
So are infants.
Dogs are not human. It would be a waste of time to baptize them. This thing with the Martians is purely speculative. In order for someone to ask for baptism that implies the use of reason. Animals do not have the use of reason which would which would cause them to ask for baptism. Besides they don't need baptism. Their original progenitors did not commit the original sin. They are not born with original sin. Therefore they do not need to be baptized.
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Now all we need is for scientists to discover a new planet called Pelagia. I predict it will be the first planetary excomunication.
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
Dogs are incapable of asking for baptism on their own.
So are infants.
Dogs are not human. It would be a waste of time to baptize them. This thing with the Martians is purely speculative. In order for someone to ask for baptism that implies the use of reason. Animals do not have the use of reason which would which would cause them to ask for baptism. Besides they don't need baptism. Their original progenitors did not commit the original sin. They are not born with original sin. Therefore they do not need to be baptized.
Do you speculate that Martians may be born with original sin?
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and if one of them says: 'Me, I want to be baptised!', what would happen?"
They would be given instruction and baptized after they made the profession of faith.
Martians don’t exist.
But should we baptize a dog if it asks for it?
Dogs are incapable of asking for baptism on their own.
So are infants.
Dogs are not human. It would be a waste of time to baptize them. This thing with the Martians is purely speculative. In order for someone to ask for baptism that implies the use of reason. Animals do not have the use of reason which would which would cause them to ask for baptism. Besides they don't need baptism. Their original progenitors did not commit the original sin. They are not born with original sin. Therefore they do not need to be baptized.
Do you speculate that Martians may be born with original sin?
It's a possibility.
:scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
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So how would they have been redeemed?
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So how would they have been redeemed?
If they are human they would be redeemed the same way that we all are.
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So how would they have been redeemed?
If they are human they would be redeemed the same way that we all are.
How could Martians (if they existed, which they do not) possibly, hypothetically be human?
All humans are descended from Adam. We are redeemed in Christs blood shed on Earth.
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So how would they have been redeemed?
If they are human they would be redeemed the same way that we all are.
How could Martians (if they existed, which they do not) possibly, hypothetically be human?
All humans are descended from Adam. We are redeemed in Christs blood shed on Earth.
What do you say poche?
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So how would they have been redeemed?
If they are human they would be redeemed the same way that we all are.
How could Martians (if they existed, which they do not) possibly, hypothetically be human?
All humans are descended from Adam. We are redeemed in Christs blood shed on Earth.
What do you say poche?
The key word here is "If" If they are human they would be fedeemed the same way that we all are. Let you remind you that before 1492 most of the people in Europe thought that if you sailed too far west you would fall off the edge of the world. After the discovery of what would be known as the Americas there was a huge debate as to whether the Indians were truly human or not. If they were not human they could be exploited, killed and they would be incapable of salvation. While it doesn't seem likely that there is any life on Mars or any other planet within our reach there is a lot that modern science doesn't know. At this point it is pure speculation.
What the pope was saying is that anyone who has not already been baptized presents themselves for baptism then it is their right to be baptized, Of course with every right comes certain obligations. Included in this right is the right to be properly instructed in what the Catholic Church believes and what they are getting into when they are baptized so that the person can make the profession of faith knowing what it is that the Catholic Church believes.
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The key is that there is no legitimate “if” if it is impossible.
Humans are on Earth.
God became man on Earth. Jesus the third person of the Blessed Trinity died on Earth where every human ever born has been born and has lived.
Christ redeemed humans who are all born in Original Sin and who are all descended from Adam the first human created by God.
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The key is that there is no legitimate “if” if it is impossible.
Humans are on Earth.
God became man on Earth. Jesus the third person of the Blessed Trinity died on Earth where every human ever born has been born and has lived.
Christ redeemed humans who are all born in Original Sin and who are all descended from Adam the first human created by God.
Since all of this is pure speculation we can speculate about the Martians too.
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The key is that there is no legitimate “if” if it is impossible.
Humans are on Earth.
God became man on Earth. Jesus the third person of the Blessed Trinity died on Earth where every human ever born has been born and has lived.
Christ redeemed humans who are all born in Original Sin and who are all descended from Adam the first human created by God.
Since all of this is pure speculation we can speculate about the Martians too.
poche, it is obvious that you are a lib, but do you understand that it is not sane or worthwhile to speculate about the impossible?
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The key is that there is no legitimate “if” if it is impossible.
Humans are on Earth.
God became man on Earth. Jesus the third person of the Blessed Trinity died on Earth where every human ever born has been born and has lived.
Christ redeemed humans who are all born in Original Sin and who are all descended from Adam the first human created by God.
Since all of this is pure speculation we can speculate about the Martians too.
poche, it is obvious that you are a lib, but do you understand that it is not sane or worthwhile to speculate about the impossible?
In 1491 it was a commonly held belief that if you sailed into the west you would fall off the edge of the earth.
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The key is that there is no legitimate “if” if it is impossible.
Humans are on Earth.
God became man on Earth. Jesus the third person of the Blessed Trinity died on Earth where every human ever born has been born and has lived.
Christ redeemed humans who are all born in Original Sin and who are all descended from Adam the first human created by God.
Since all of this is pure speculation we can speculate about the Martians too.
poche, it is obvious that you are a lib, but do you understand that it is not sane or worthwhile to speculate about the impossible?
In 1491 it was a commonly held belief that if you sailed into the west you would fall off the edge of the earth.
That bit of info is irrelevant to this discussion.
Do you not believe some things are impossible and should not even be speculated on?
According to your method, it seems you could speculate about baptizing some strange non-human beings that we may discover which look like Martians and live deep below the sea or deep under the earth.
Even if such creatures could exist they could not be baptized. No point speculating about legitimately baptizing them.
Baptism is for humans, who are created by God and born in Original Sin.