Author Topic: Fr Voigt (Read 3199 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** January 20, 2014, 04:42:18 PM »

It's generally accepted that Fr. Voigt was conditionally ordained by Bishop Williamson.

But ordinations are public events, and there is no public evidence of the conditional ordination. There are plenty of people who will publicly say it occurred, and Bishop Williamson has never denied it. However:

There are no pictures
There is no date
There is no location
Bishop Williamson has not publicly admitted to it
No witnesses have publicly admitted to it occurring

It should be a priority to provide as much information as is possible, and it is the responsibility of those involved primarily. It's irresponsible to be giving the faithful a priest whose orders are to be trusted on hearsay.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2014, 05:06:29 PM »

I had long been under the impression hat he had wanted conditional ordination and it was denied to him. Unless it happened since the expulsion of Bp.Williamson, I have never heard or been told by anyone that it did happen.

We had written to the SSPX concerning the ordination of one of their affiliate priests, who serviced their chapel. He broke rubrics and had a bad reputation, which were serious concerns. When the SSPX wrote back they told us, in a nutshell, that he was valid because they said so and it was none of our concern.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2014, 06:06:41 PM »

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I had long been under the impression hat he had wanted conditional ordination and it was denied to him. Unless it happened since the expulsion of Bp.Williamson, I have never heard or been told by anyone that it did happen.

We had written to the SSPX concerning the ordination of one of their affiliate priests, who serviced their chapel. He broke rubrics and had a bad reputation, which were serious concerns. When the SSPX wrote back they told us, in a nutshell, that he was valid because they said so and it was none of our concern.

Bihsop W has personally told some faithful that he performed the conditional ordination for Fr. Voigt. Fr Voigt has also said the same.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2014, 06:44:28 PM »

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Bihsop W has personally told some faithful that he performed the conditional ordination for Fr. Voigt. Fr Voigt has also said the same.

That is good. Now we know that Fr. Voight is a true priest (unless they are lying).

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »

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Bihsop W has personally told some faithful that he performed the conditional ordination for Fr. Voigt. Fr Voigt has also said the same.

That is good. Now we know that Fr. Voight is a true priest (unless they are lying).

Ordinations are public, like marriages.

If a couple could not provide a marriage certificate, a date they were married, witnesses to the marriage and if no priest came forward to say that he supervised their wedding, there's a problem.

He may very well may have been conditionally ordained. But some sort of evidence beyond hearsay (however reliable) is required.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:34:20 PM »

Have you discussed your concerns with Fr Voigt or Bp Williamson?

Unless they're dodging your questions or something, I don't see the point of this thread.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:39:39 PM »

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It's generally accepted that Fr. Voigt was conditionally ordained by Bishop Williamson.

But ordinations are public events...

It should be a priority to provide as much information as is possible, and it is the responsibility of those involved primarily. It's irresponsible to be giving the faithful a priest whose orders are to be trusted on hearsay.

...Says the MORE THAN ANONYMOUS person who won't even stand behind this slander with a good PSEUDONYM!

Give me a break.

Note that Mr. Anonymous doesn't even say they dodged his questions, refused to offer docuмentation, or anything like that. Mr. Anonymous wants to sit in his well-used (and probably overloaded) armchair and wait for someone to bring him the proof he demands.

How about you ask them yourself?

Or is the point of your thread to cast doubt upon and slander a good priest's name (as well as that of a good bishop)?

It sure speaks volumes to me that you felt the need to ask this question anonymously.

P.S. I'm sorry if I sound angry; I guess it's even harder to be nice to "some bodyless, faceless anonymous person" than it is to be nice to a pseudonym.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:49:43 PM »

Unless the good Bishop, the good Father, or a personal witness to the ordination frequents this board, any evidence offered will necessarily be hearsay. As that is precisely what you are objecting to, this thread seems pointless.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:53:45 PM »

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Unless the good Bishop, the good Father, or a personal witness to the ordination frequents this board, any evidence offered will necessarily be hearsay. As that is precisely what you are objecting to, this thread seems pointless.

I'm sure they have better things to do than assuage the personal curiosity of some over-picky Trads who will never be satisfied.

What's next, bugging the altar so you can make sure Father didn't mispronounce any words during the Canon and Consecration?

Frances · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2014, 12:22:07 AM »

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Padre Pio's confessional was bugged. And even then his detractors werent satisfied! Fr. Voigt was conditionally ordained by Bp. W. in December of 2012. If you need photos and a date, why not ask Fr. V.? The record is in Boston, KY.
Others might cast doubt upon my Confirmation because there is no record other than the certificate at the chapel and in my paperwork. For various reasons, I chose not to have any photographs taken at what was certainly a public event. No family members were present, just my sponsor and a few people who happened to be from the chapel I attend. One could ask my sponsor if I was confirmed, but if you don't believe me, why believe her? Fr. Voigt is in the same position. Why would you think him not ordained? Perhaps that is the issue.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2014, 12:48:22 AM »

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Unless the good Bishop, the good Father, or a personal witness to the ordination frequents this board, any evidence offered will necessarily be hearsay. As that is precisely what you are objecting to, this thread seems pointless.

I'm sure they have better things to do than assuage the personal curiosity of some over-picky Trads who will never be satisfied.

What's next, bugging the altar so you can make sure Father didn't mispronounce any words during the Canon and Consecration?

:roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:

After awhile you just have to leave things up to God.
You have no choice anyway.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2014, 07:00:09 PM »

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Padre Pio's confessional was bugged.

Bugged by whom? Can you suppy a source for that?

I know Fr Villa said the Masons were out to get him.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:52:43 AM »

Question: Does the "resistance" believe that all NO-ordained priests should be conditionally re-ordained? If so, wouldn't that oblige them to profess that Francis is only doubtfully a priest and therefore equally doubtfully pope?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2014, 07:49:18 AM »

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Question: Does the "resistance" believe that all NO-ordained priests should be conditionally re-ordained? If so, wouldn't that oblige them to profess that Francis is only doubtfully a priest and therefore equally doubtfully pope?

The answers you'll get to that question vary.

Some do, others don't.

In any event, Bergoglio's doubtful papacy has nothing to do with whether or not he's a priest or even a bishop.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2014, 09:57:38 AM »

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Ordinations are public, like marriages.

If a couple could not provide a marriage certificate, a date they were married, witnesses to the marriage and if no priest came forward to say that he supervised their wedding, there's a problem.

He may very well may have been conditionally ordained. But some sort of evidence beyond hearsay (however reliable) is required.

You weren't at my wedding.

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