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« on: December 03, 2013, 10:12:53 PM »
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  • Dear Friends and benefactors,

    Many worried souls were comforted and given great hope, to hear Bishop Fellay reassure us that the Society hasn’t changed and all is well in Denmark (Menzingen).

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED?

    On Oct. 13 in his Sunday Sermon in Kansas City he said the Following: “Some people unfortunately shaken by the Devil, they say the Society has changed. They call it even the Neo-Society. But that’s not us by no way. We didn’t change, we do not change, we have not changed anything of our position on the Council, on the Mass, on all these reforms. And precisely these last years in our talks with Rome we dealt with these problems with them. At no point, really at no point we presented any kind of compromise! it is false propaganda, science fiction to pretend that at any moment we would have for any kind of God knows what kind of privilege or advantage, lowered down our position.”(13:25-14:37 minute)

    The Bishop hence assured us that 1. Nothing has changed, in the SSPX position on the Council, New Mass and the subsequent Reforms and 2. the texts presented to Rome on April 15, 2012 were correct and without any compromise. Therefore according to Bishop Fellay:

    1. When he said Vatican II “Enlightens and deepens the former doctrine of the Church . . . not yet conceptually formulated” (Doctrinal Declaration April 15, 2012) it does not contradict. Archbishop Lefebvre “the more one analyzes the docuмents of Vatican II, and the more one realizes that what is at stake is not merely superficial errors, a few mistakes, ecuмenism, religious liberty, collegiality, a certain Liberalism, but rather a wholesale perversion of the mind, a whole new Philosophy based on modern philosophy, on subjectivism.” (Archb. Lefebvre, Conference 1990) . BPF said that Vatican II “enlightens the Faith” whereas the Archbishop taught that Vatican II “is a wholesale perversion of the Mind.

    Nothing has Changed?

    2. When he said New Mass is “Legitimately promulgated” (Doctrinal Declaration April 15, 2012) it did not contradict the former teaching of the Archbishop who said that “the new Mass is a Bastard (non-legitimate) Mass.”

    Nothing has Changed?

    3. When he said that New Mass is “Legitimately promulgated” it didn’t contradict himself when he said on Oct. 12 we never accepted new Mass as legitimate.”

    Nothing has Changed?


    3. When Bishop Fellay said “we dare to say that even in the Council Vatican II we still find something Catholic” (Sermon Oct 13, 2013 Kansas City) and “we accept 95% of the Council” (2001) it didn’t contradict the Archbishop when he said “We have the duty to disobey and keep the Tradition . . . the greatest service we can render to the Church is to reject the reformed and liberal Church. . . I am not of that Religion. I do not accept that new Religion. It is a liberal and Modernist Religion . . . two religions confront each other; . . . it is impossible to avoid a choice.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1986 Open Letter to Confused Catholics Ch. 18). BPF said we accept 95% of the Council as Catholic whereas the Archbishop taught “it is a liberal and Modernist Religion.”

    Nothing has Changed?

    The opinions of Bishop Fellay and Archbishop Lefebvre in these matters is as similar as black is to white and as similar as Truth is to Lies. We must choose one or the other teaching. We cannot accept both.

    ON THE “TWO POPES”

    On June 1, 2008 in a sermon in Paris Bishop Fellay said concerning Pope Benedict XVI: “Now we have a perfectly liberal pope my dear brethren. . . and he is called Traditional! And this is true, this is true, he is perfectly liberal perfectly conradictory. He has some good sides ,the sides that we hail, such as what he has done for the Traditional Liturgy.”

    On Oct 13, 2013 Kansas City concerning Pope Francis he said: “We have in front of us a genuine Modernist, a modernist who is capable and who knows his Faith, and is capable of saying it and maybe even of Loving it! But at the same time is saying the contrary, the contrary. How much time will be needed for people in the Church, in the Authority to stand up and say “by no means!” If we continue this way I really hope and pray that with this will happen--that means an enormous division in the Church. As we have two popes alive already, it is not difficult to understand and to think that the people who are just a little bit conservative-- they will turn towards the other one, towards Benedict. We will have a mess. That’s what he (pope Francis) wants. He invites the youth, he said it several times. He wants youth to do mess to be Messy (42:07-35 minute mark). . . the pope wants everything to be changed. ..

    This last passage of Bishop Fellay is most scandalous. It should not be tolerated by anyone Catholic. In the healthier days of our Church, he would be suspended from preaching, teaching, any position of Authority, be declared suspect of heresy and brought before the Holy Office of the Inquisition to answer for such spurious teaching as well as fomenting ѕєdιтισn.

    1. A modernist is ambiguous and uses “truth” to spread his lies (c.f... Pascendi St. Pius X) therefore it is impossible for a Modernist to be one “who knows his Faith, and is capable of saying it.” This is most grave for a shepherd to speak thus since it will lead the sheep to search for the Truth in Pope Francis (and the 95% “truth” in Vatican II) leading to loss of Faith in Souls.

    2. There are not now nor could there ever be 2 popes in the Church. This is Heresy—and heresy fomenting rebellion besides. It could even be called a “practical Sedevacantist” attitude to use Bishop Fellay’s’ own words. Cardinal Ratzinger is no more Pope than Jimmy Carter is president. It is absurd to call him a pope. He resigned. It is a scandal that he keeps his name, keeps his ring, and his papal cassock.

    3. Bishop Fellay said “I really hope and pray that this will happen--that means an enormous division in the Church. . . those a little bit conservative. . . will turn towards Benedict.”!!!!!!!!!! This is subversion, a most grave scandal. If Bishop Fellay’s coup is successful then, according to his own words we will have the desired effect of a “perfectly liberal, perfectly contradictory Pope” (Benedict) replacing the “Genuine Modernist” pope who “says the contrary, the contrary.” He says that he hopes and prays for the good old days of Pope Benedict?

    4. Note the statement “How much time will be needed for people in the Church, in the Authority to stand up and say “by no means!” Notice that Bishop Fellay spoke of the Authorities standing up. He did not telll the Faithful to stand up and say “by no means.” This appears to be the language of a snake. Note also at the end of the Sermon the Bishop said “when you are the end of your time Our Lord will ask ‘did you obey, did you follow the commandments.” Is this a freudian slip? Note that Obedience is placed before or ahead of Commandments? Does this reveal the true thought of Bishop Fellay that only Authorities can stand up. Lowly subjects must only obey, do their duty, and not ever go above their station. If this were true, Daniel the boy should have prayed for better, holier Judges over the people. He should have prayed for the repose of the soul of poor Susanna. David, the shephered boy should never of had the audacity to act like a soldier to fight a giant Goliath. That wasn’t his job. Esther should never have overstepped her bounds just to save the Jєωs. She should have waited for better times etc. etc. etc. St. Paul resisted St. Peter “to the face because he was to be blamed.”

    Bihsop Fellay said further that Pope Francis wants a “revolution” in the Church he wants to Change everything” The True Catholic of Tradition should ask: What has changed since Francis became pope? What is new in Francis? The answer is essentially Nothing. Pope Francis is not starting a Revolution! he is only continuing the Revolution of Vatican II. He does not want to change anything away from the direction of Vatican II. He is only implementing the Council more and more. The Revolution was and is Vatican II “the French Revolution in the Church” said Archbishop Lefebvre. For one to claim that Pope Francis wants a Revolution is false, deceptive and foolish. What Catholic can be pleased with Pope Benedict (the false leader behind the scenes), the Pope that gave us and still supports his spiritual Son, Pope Francis. These “two Popes” are like Annas and Caiphas. Did Our Blessed Lord tell His followers that things would be better if Annas were still the High priest. No. Rather, he said in front of the wicked Annas “if I have done wrong show me the evil, otherwise why didst thou strike me.” Pope Benedict struck Catholics of True Tradition when he gave the world his wicked decree called “Summorum Pontificuм” in which he said that the New Mass is the “Ordinary Mass” of the Church and the Old True Mass is allowed only as “extraordinary,” “ad experimentum” for three years starting Sept. 14, 2007 on the condition that those who attend the true Mass accept both the New Mass and Vatican II. When Bishop Felllay asked Catholics to sing the Te Deum in honor of such a blasphemy, he called down the wrath of God upon the SSPX and not any blessing.

    SEDEVACANTIST FELLAY?

    Bishop Fellay said in his Oct. 13 Sermon “If he (pope Francis) continues as he does now, maybe we will be obliged to say ‘he cannot be pope!’ I say ‘maybe’ I don’t know. What I say is don’t precipitate such judgments. . . . when you will appear in front of God at the end of your time of your life, God is not going to ask you ‘was Francis pope or not?’ He is going to ask ‘did you obey, did you follow the commandments. . .”

    If we shouldn’t “precipitate such judgments” then it is a scandal for a bishop to precipitate such judgments by praying for a rebellion and division in the Church against Pope Francis, “who knows his Faith” in favor of “pope” Benedict the “perfectly liberal.” It is also a scandal to tell the sheep that we may one day have to say that Francis is not pope. These kinds of statements create confusion in souls, indicate confusion in the shepherd who pronounces them and lead to greater confusion in the Church. Archbishop Lefebvre would have nothing to do with such contrary, contradictory confusions, and neither should any of his sons. Last year anyone who questioned Bishop Fellay was declared a Sedevacantist or a “practical Sedevacantist.” Now those same souls declare. “You see Bishop Fellay is still traditional, he even says that Francis may not be pope.”

    We reject such foolishness outright. Pope Francis is Pope. We do not pray or hope for any coup against our Holy Father Pope Francis. We especially reject any coup that involves replacing a Caiphas with an Annas or a Hitler with a Stalin.

    We pray for Pope Francis in each of our Masses. We pray specifically for his conversion away from his wicked Modernism back to the Catholic Faith of Eternal Rome. We pray that he obey Our Lady and Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. Until then, in obedience to his Ancestors and his God we fight him and reject his Modernism for it is the only way to be true and faithful sons of him as pope. It is the time for the gladium (sword) not for a false Spem (hope) or false peace. Our Divine Master said “I have not come for peace but the Sword.” Mt. 10:24). He said these words to His Apostles, His faithful followers reminding them as well as us that we are in a perpetual fight “against the powers of this darkness in high places” as said St. Paul.

    AGREEMENT WIH ROME

    Bishop Fellay spoke of the agreement with Rome in his Sermon of Oct. 13 as well. Note carefully what he said in the 20th and 21st minutes of that Sermon: “And so to say or to pretend that we want an agreement with Rome at any Cost and the Modernists. We don’t want any agreement with the Modernists, we never wanted. How do you want us to be in agreement with people who don’t even believe that there is a God. Who don’t believe that Our Lord is in the Holy Host. How do you want us to have an agreement with these people? No! It is not with these people, it is with what remains of the Church. If we maintain that there is a Catholic Church, we have to maintain that this Church is visible. It’s part of the Doctrine of the Faith and this Church which is visible has a head and the head is the Pope. That’s why we pray for him in the Canon of the Mass. That does not mean that we agree with him.” (20:49-21:52).

    1. He declared plainly “We never watned an agrreeement with Rome at any cost and the Modernists (such as pope Francis “a genuine modernist”?)—at any cost.” Note the two little catch phrases. The first: no agreement “at any cost.” In other words, if the price is right we want agreement, but if the price is too low no Agreement. This is deceptive language. It gives the impression that he did not want an agreement, but in fact it means the opposite. The second little trick: no agreement (at any cost) with Rome and the Modernists. Note the conjunction “and.” This means that Rome may be one thing and the Modernists another. Hence, he said that he wanted no agreement with the modernists while giving only the impression that he did not want any agreement with Rome.These are cheap politician tactics. A bishop of the Church has no right to use such tactics. What is more, no informed Catholic should be foolish enough to fall for such tricks.

    2. He declared “We (do) want an agreement with what remains of the Church—Pope Francis the Visible head of the Church. it is part of the Doctrine of the Faith.” In other words Bishop Fellay said We want an agreement with Pope Francis as head of the Visible Church because the Doctrine of the Faith demands that we want to be accepted by him as Catholiic. This is language worthy of the most unscrupulous lawyer. Archbishop Lefebvre never spoke in this way. Our Divine Master told us “let your yes be yes and your no no.” Further, our Faith does not hinge on recognition by modernist Authorites. We are not Catholics in order to be “recognized.” We are Catholics to spread the True Faith into the entire Universe.

    3. “This Agreement does not mean that we agree with him.” Then what does agreement mean? The bishop said in his Oct. 12, 2013 talk in Kansas CIty

    Hence, according to the Sermon of Oct. 13, we can summarize the thought of the Superior of the SSPX as follows: The doctrines found in the Doctrinal Declaration of April 15, 2013 are correct and without any compromise. They are the identical teaching of the SSPX since the beginning. We never wanted an agreement with the Modernists “at any cost”—such as Pope Francis “a genuine Modernist”—but we do want an agreement with Pope Francis—as Pope of the visible Church, not as genuine Modernist (unless he continues as he is and thus “cannot be Pope”), As pope of the visible Church we must want an agreement with him—which means that we want to be recognized as Catholic.

    The agreement, of course must be taken in the context of meaning that we agree to have an agreement with him as pope but not that we agree with him in this agreement. However, Bishop Fellay “ really hope(s) and pray(s) that a division will occur in the Church so that we can dethrone Pope Francis from his papal throne, replacing him with Cardinal Ratzinger returning as pope Benedict XVII. Then, we can make an even better agreement with Ex-re-pope Benedict as pope of the visible church than could be hoped for with Pope Francis.

    If these teachings, all contained in the “encouraging” sermon of Oct. 13 2013 in Kansas City seem contradictory and confusing–its only because they are. Confusion is not from God.
    Catholics must know their Faith. Every Catholic should know that a pope cannot be dethroned. There cannot ever be two Popes. No Pope who has resigned can remain a Pope. No one who is “perfectly liberal, perfectly contradictory” can be preferred to a “genuine modernist.” No Catholic can ever approve of a coup against a Pope, no matter how bad he may be. No Catholic can make a “Doctrinal Declaration” that is admitted to be Ambiguous! Any one who says that a “Doctrinal Declaration” which approves of New Mass as “legitimately promulgated”, and that says that Vatican II “enlightens and deepens the doctrine of the Church” is “not in any way a compromise” must be publicly rebuked and his teaching rejected, Such a one is a danger to the Faith of Catholic sheep. Shepherds must warn their flock against such a one. Shepherds must be vigilant, with Sword in hand against such dangerous teaching. St. Paul tells us the Truth is a Sword. It is our principle weapon against the Father of Lies. The Father of Lies spreads his deception more and more in our times than at any time in the past. Take up the sharp Sword of clear Doctrine, the sword wielded so well and bravely by our holy founder, Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Who in their right Catholic mind could be “encouraged” by the doctrine of Bishop Fellay, a prince of the Church of Christ, a prince who is supposed to be the Son of the clear, unequivocal Archbishop Lefebvre. Even a brief analysis of his recent non-retractions, confused non-clarifications, etc. is sufficient to show any honest soul of good will that the teaching of Bishop Fellay is in no way the teaching of the True SSPX. It is the teaching of a Neo-SSPX. And only a neo-SSPX priest could remain sinfully silent in the face of such false doctrines. The Old SSPX priests condemned in clear terms any equivocations about Our most Holy Faith. There are now 50 priests ousted or cutoff from this neo-SSPX in only 18 months since this visible crisis began in May 2012. More are being ousted monthly. Neo-SSPX Vocations are down. SSPX income is down. SSPX mass attendance is globally down. The liberal slide towards a deeper modernism continues in the Neo-SSPX. The sign that all is worse in Denmark is that anyone could be “encouraged” by the latest scandolous confusion coming from the mouth of one who should be “THE” mouthpiece of clear unequivocal Truth. We pray now for the conversion of Bishop Fellay. May he return to the Faith of his Consecration which was for the preservation of the True Catholic Faith of all times. Let us repeat the words of Archbishop Lefebvre in the Aug. 29, 1976 Sermon in Lille, Flanders during the “hot Summer of 76.” “We cannot lend our hands to the destruction of the Church!” or to the destruction of the Society founded to combat the destruction of the Church.”

    Seven Seminarians entered the doors of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in October. Three entered in Batangas Philippines and four are in Brazil awaiting their visas to come to Kentucky. Two more await preparation for the priesthood in India. The 14 that have entered include some for Brotherhood as well. Others are interested to come. God is blessing our little Resistance, that fights for the Faith in line with Archbishop Lefebvre and like his Society it is International from the beginning. We have some Novena Christmas cards available from inthissighnyoushallconquer.com We have insufficient space for the Filipinos, the Brazilians, the other South Americans and the Indian young men who wish to join our Irish, Filipino and Americans already in our humble Kentucky Seminary located only a few miles from the Americas first Seminary of the Wild west founded in 1811 in a small Log Cabin near Bardstown, Kentucky. More than 100 old pioneer priest missionaries lie buried close to our little Seminary. We call upon their wisdom and prayers from the grave and your support to help us remodel and expand the existing structures. After only one year now, we already have more than 40 mass Centers in Asia, USA, Canada, Ireland, England, Germany, not including another 15 to 20 centers in Mexico and South America. Centers of the continuing battle for Truth against Modernism and modernistic tendencies wherever they are found. Bishop Williamson has been kept busy visiting our centers, administering the Sacraments to Sheep in need of Confirmation in the Faith of all time. May the good God bless him for his help and you for yours without which we could not continue the fight, the only worth fighting for, the fight for the Social and total reign of Our most wonderful King, the King of all Kings,
    in Christ Our King,

    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer

    P.S. Fr. Valan has sent us some Catechism in Pictures from India. We have these beautiful Catechisms or whoever wishes for a $20 donation per book. It is a beautiful full color Catechism. We will send a portion of the donations back to India to support our Apostolate there under the direction of Fr. Valan, one the SSPX priests ousted from the SSPX this past year.


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    Fr. Pfeiffer letter - very controversial
    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2013, 10:49:40 PM »
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    Absolutely brilliant. Bravo, Fr. Pheiffer!


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  • What is controversial here? Its great, full of wonderful news, too.
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    Fr. Pfeiffer letter - very controversial
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  •  :dancing-banana:If Bp. Fellay would speak and write clearly, no ambiguity, Fr. Pfeiffer would not have written this controversial letter.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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  • Honestly, if what Bp. Fellay said during the sermon were genuine then I'm in complete agreement with him.

    Rumors of a Ratzingerian schism have been floating around since the election of Francis. The only thing keeping me from fully embracing sedevacantism is that this schism might somehow bring to light the heresies of Vatican II. That being said Francis has been suppressing and schism lately by throwing some bones to the Ratzingerian bishops by supporting the hermeneutic of reform and what not. I doubt the schism will happen. Call me a hipster but I was "waiting and seeing" before it was cool.

    Abp. Lefebvre never dismissed sedevacantism. He said it could be a possibility.

    Sedevacantist SSPX? Bring it! There's enough crypto-sedevacantists at my SSPX chapel already. Francis' heretical statements are extemely powerful and bold, "The Interview" made many SV's, his recent Apostolic Exhortation made Fr. Kramer a resignationist. If Francis drops another bomb the majority of SSPX faithful will willingly go along with sedevacantism. The SSPX might as well take the teachings of Abp. Lefebvre to their logical conclusions as he himself almost did.


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    ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE AND SEDEVACANTISM

    by John Daly

    (Four Marks, 2006)

    So far as we know, Archbishop Lefebvre never formed a definite judgment that John-Paul II was not a true pope. So if we divide the ecclesiastical spectrum into two categories, those for whom the see is legally vacant and those for whom it is legally occupied, Archbishop Lefebvre will be in the non-sedevacantist camp.

    But such divisions are not always helpful. If we divide the animal kingdom between bipeds and the rest we shall find ourselves misleadingly close to the turkeys. Other criteria of evaluation exist. Did Archbishop Lefebvre admit that sedevacantists might well be right? Did he consider them to be upright members of the Church? Did he avow that his persevering recognition of John-Paul II was due more to heroically cautious hesitation than to any solid conviction? Did he envisage declaring the vacancy of the Holy See if the situation continued unchanged? Did he insist that settling the question of whether the Vatican II “popes” were truly popes or not was an important duty, not to be evaded? Did he hold that Vatican II was unequivocally schismatic? Did he hold that Vatican II was unequivocally heretical? Did he believe it impossible to interpret Vatican II in an orthodox sense? Did he reject outright all the conciliar reforms? Did he declare that Vatican II had founded a new, false and schismatic religion? Did he deny that the members of the new Vatican II Church were Catholics? Did he doubt the validity of the new rites of Mass, ordination and episcopal consecration? Did he hold that John-Paul II and his henchmen were already excommunicated? Did he rejoice to be separated from the Church of John-Paul II? Did he consciously employ sedevacantist seminary professors at Ecône, ordain and assign ministries to sedevacantist clergy, and send his seminarians to gain pastoral experience with a sedevacantist priest?

    You may find it surprising, even bewildering, but the answer to all the above questions is “yes”, as we shall shortly see. But it should first be emphasised that we are not studying Archbishop Lefebvre’s convictions in order to accept them as necessarily sound and judicious in every respect. Nor do we deny that other apparently contradictory texts may be cited from him on many of these points. The interest of the late prelate’s attitude to the Conciliar Church lies elsewhere. We shall come back to that subject after having shown that the Archbishop did indeed express the views we attribute to him. To do this we shall repeat the above questions, allowing the Archbishop’s own words and deeds to answer them.

    Did Archbishop Lefebvre admit that sedevacantists might well be right?

    1. “You know, for some time, many people, the sedevacantists, have been saying, ‘there is no more pope’. But I think that for me it was not yet the time to say that, because it was not sure, it was not evident…” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    2. “The question is therefore definitive: is Paul VI, has Paul VI ever been, the successor of Peter? If the reply is negative: Paul VI has never been, or no longer is, pope, our attitude will be that of sede vacante periods, which would simplify the problem. Some theologians say that this is the case, relying on the statements of theologians of the past, approved by the Church, who have studied the problem of the heretical pope, the schismatic pope or the pope who in practice abandons his charge of supreme Pastor. It is not impossible that this hypothesis will one day be confirmed by the Church.” (Ecône, February 24, 1977, Answers to Various Burning Questions)

    Did he frequently and respectfully allude to the sedevacantist explanation of the crisis?

    1. “To whatever extent the pope departed from…tradition he would become schismatic, he would breach with the Church. Theologians such as Saint Bellarmine, Cajetan, Cardinal Journet and many others have studied this possibility. So it is not something inconceivable.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    2. “Heresy, schism, ipso facto excommunication, invalidity of election are so many reasons why a pope might in fact never have been pope or might no longer be one. In this, obviously very exceptional case, the Church would be in a situation similar to that which prevails after the death of a Pontiff.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    3. “…these recent acts of the Pope and bishops, with protestants, Animists and Jєωs, are they not an active participation in non-catholic worship as explained by Canon Naz on Canon 1258§1? In which case I cannot see how it is possible to say that the pope is not suspect of heresy, and if he continues, he is a heretic, a public heretic. That is the teaching of the Church.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    4. “It seems inconceivable that a successor of Peter could fail in some way to transmit the Truth which he must transmit, for he cannot – without as it were disappearing from the papal line – not transmit what the popes have always transmitted.” (Homily, Ecône, September 18, 1977)

    5. “If it happened that the pope was no longer the servant of the truth, he would no longer be pope.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000)

    Did he consider sedevacantists to be upright members of the Church?

    Undoubtedly. He rebuked certain over-zealous Society priests who refused the sacraments to sedevacantists. He collaborated with Bishop de Castro-Mayer after the Brazilian prelate had made his sedevacantism quite clear. He accepted numerous seminarians from sedevacantist families, parishes or groups. He patronised the Le Trévoux “Ordo” with its guide to traditional places of worship throughout the world, which has always included (and still does) certain known sedevacantist Mass centres. He was at all times well aware of the presence of sedevacantists among the Society’s priests.

    Did he avow that his persevering recognition of Paul VI and John-Paul II was due more to heroically cautious hesitation than to any solid conviction?

    1. “While we are certain that the faith the Church has taught for 20 centuries cannot contain error, we are much further from absolute certitude that the pope is truly pope.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    2. “It is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope. For twenty years Mgr de Castro Mayer and I preferred to wait…I think we are waiting for the famous meeting in Assisi, if God allows it.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    3. “I don’t know if the time has come to say that the pope is a heretic (…) Perhaps after this famous meeting of Assisi, perhaps we must say that the pope is a heretic, is apostate. Now I don’t wish yet to say it formally and solemnly, but it seems at first sight that it is impossible for a pope to be formally and publicly heretical. (…) So it is possible we may be obliged to believe this pope is not pope.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    Did he envisage declaring the legal vacancy of the Holy See if the situation continued unchanged?

    1. “That is why I beseech Your Eminence to …do everything in your power to get us a Pope, a true Pope, successor of Peter, in line with his predecessors, the firm and watchful guardian of the deposit of faith. The…eighty-year-old cardinals have a strict right to present themselves at the Conclave, and their enforced absence will necessarily raise the question of the validity of the election” (Letter to an unnamed cardinal, August 8, 1978.)

    2. “It is impossible for Rome to remain indefinitely outside Tradition. It’s impossible… For the moment they are in rupture with their predecessors. This is impossible. They are no longer in the Catholic Church.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)

    Did he insist that settling the question of whether the Vatican II “popes” were truly popes or not was an important duty, not to be evaded?

    1. “…a grave problem confronts the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate: how can a pope who is truly successor of Peter, to whom the assistance of the Holy Ghost has been promised, preside over the most radical and far-reaching destruction of the Church ever known, in so short a time, beyond what any heresiarch has ever achieved? This question must one day be answered…” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    2. “Now some priests (even some priests in the Society) say that we Catholics need not worry about what is happening in the Vatican; we have the true sacraments, the true Mass, the true doctrine, so why worry about whether the pope is heretic or an impostor or whatever; it is of no importance to us. But I think that is not true. If any man is important in the Church it is the pope.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)

    Did he hold that Vatican II was unequivocally schismatic?

    “We believe we can affirm, purely by internal and external criticism of Vatican II, i.e. by analysing the texts and studying the Council’s ins and outs, that by turning its back on tradition and breaking with the Church of the past, it is a schismatic council.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    Did he hold that Vatican II was unequivocally heretical?

    In an interview with Mr Tom Chapman’s Catholic Crusader in 1984 the Archbishop expressly characterised the decree on Ecuмenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) as “heretical”.

    Did he believe it impossible to interpret Vatican II in an orthodox sense?

    “Do you agree to accept the Council as a whole? Reply: Ah, not religious liberty – it isn’t possible!” ((Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône. The Archbishop’s words imagine the kind of interrogation his seminarians would have been submitted to if he had accepted the terms of agreement John-Paul II was offering him, entailing a Cardinal-Visitor entitled to grant or refuse the ordination of seminarians. The reply is the reply he assumes his seminarians would have to make and he goes on to explain that such a reply would have enabled the Cardinal-Visitor to refuse the seminarian’s ordination – his reason for refusing the deal.)

    Did he reject outright all the conciliar reforms?

    “We consider as null…all the post-conciliar reforms, and all the acts of Rome accomplished in this impiety.” (Joint Declaration with Bishop de Castro Mayer following Assisi, December 2, 1986)

    Did he say that Vatican II and its “popes” had founded a new, false and schismatic religion?

    1. “It is not we who are in schism but the Conciliar Church.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000 – these words appear in the original un-corrected version of the sermon as recorded and reported in the press)

    2. “Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy… They have left the Church… This is sure, sure, sure.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)

    3. John Paul II “now continually diffuses the principles of a false religion, which has for its result a general apostasy.” (Preface to Giulio Tam’s Osservatore Romano 1990, contributed by the Archbishop just three weeks before his death)

    Was he forthright in stating that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church?

    1. “This Council represents, in our view and in the view of the Roman authorities, a new Church which they call the Conciliar Church.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

    2. “The Church which affirms such errors is both schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)

    Did he deny that the members of the new Vatican II Church were Catholics?

    1. “To whatever extent pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)

    2. “To be publicly associated with the sanction [of excommunication] would be a mark of honour and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful, who have a strict right to know that the priests they approach are not in communion with a counterfeit Church…” (Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin, July 6, 1988, signed by 24 SSPX superiors, doubtless with Archbishop Lefebvre’s approval)

    Did he question the validity of the new rites of Mass, ordination and episcopal consecration?

    1. “This union which liberal Catholics want between the Church and the Revolution is an adulterous union – adulterous. This adulterous union can only beget bastards. Where are these bastards? They are [the new] rites. The [new] rite of Mass is a bastard rite. The sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know whether they are sacraments that give grace. We no longer know if this Mass gives us the Body and the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (…) The priests emerging from the seminaries are bastard priests.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000.)

    2. “If we think that this reformed liturgy is heretical and invalid, whether because of modifications made in the matter and form or because of the reformers’ intention inscribed in the new rite in opposition to the intention of the catholic Church, evidently we cannot participate in these reformed rites because we should be taking part in a sacrilegious act. This opinion is founded on serious reasons…” (Ecône, February 24, 1977, Answers to Various Burning Questions)

    3. “The radical and extensive changes made in the Roman Rite of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and their resemblance to the modifications made by Luther oblige Catholics who remain loyal to their faith to question the validity of this new rite. Who better than the Reverend Father Guérard des Lauriers to make an informed contribution to resolving this problem…?” (Foreword contributed to a book in favour of the thesis of invalidity by Fr Guérard des Lauriers. Écône, February 2, 1977)

    4. Moreover Archbishop Lefebvre personally conditionally re-ordained many priests who had been ordained in the 1968 rite and re-confirmed those purportedly confirmed in the new rite or by the new bishops.

    Did he hold that John-Paul II and his henchmen were excommunicated “antichrists”?

    1. “So we are [to be] excommunicated by Modernists, by people who have been condemned by previous popes. So what can that really do? We are condemned by men who are themselves condemned…” (Press conference, Ecône, June 15 1988)

    2. Post-consecration statement (Summer 1988), SSPX school Bitsche, Alsace-Lorraine: “the archbishop stated, going even beyond even his 15th June press conference, that those who had excommunicated him had themselves long been excommunicated.” (Summary in the Counter-Reformation Association’s, News and Views, Candlemas 1996)

    3. “The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below (…) This is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the antichrists.” (Letter to the future bishops, 29 August 1987)

    Did he rejoice to be separated from the Church of John-Paul II?

    1. “We have been suspended a divinis by the Conciliar Church and from the Conciliar Church, to which we have no wish to belong.” (July 29 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)

    2. “…we do not belong to this religion. We do not accept this new religion. We belong to the old religion, the Catholic religion, not to this universal religion as it is called today. It is no longer the Catholic religion…” (Sermon, June 29, 1976)

    3. “I should be very happy to be excommunicated from this Conciliar Church… It is a Church that I do not recognize. I belong to the Catholic Church.” (Interview July 30 1976, published in Minute, no. 747)

    4. “We have never wished to belong to this system that calls itself the Conciliar Church. To be excommunicated by a decree of your eminence…would be the irrefutable proof that we do not. We ask for nothing better than to be declared ex communione…excluded from impious communion with infidels.” (Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin, July 6, 1988, signed by 24 leading SSPX priests, doubtless with Archbishop Lefebvre’s approval)

    Did he consciously employ a sedevacantist seminary professor at Ecône, ordain and assign ministries to sedevacantist clergy, and send his seminarians to gain pastoral experience with a sedevacantist priest at his month-long summer camp each year?

    He did indeed. We shall not run the risk of setting the poursuivants on the heels of those involved by naming persons who in many cases are still sedevacantist and still members of the SSPX or in collaboration with it. Any priest who was at Ecône in the days of the Archbishop will confirm our answer.

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    Fr. Pfeiffer letter - very controversial
    « Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 08:26:23 PM »
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  • This letter is delusional (as other threads in the SSPX/Resistance sub-forum have demonstrated).

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    Fr. Pfeiffer letter - very controversial
    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 05:10:22 PM »
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    What is controversial here? Its great, full of wonderful news, too.
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    Agreed