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Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
« on: September 24, 2015, 12:22:04 AM »
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  • UPDATE: There is a thread containing links to ALL the threads about so-called Bishop Ambrose Moran:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-Mr-Ambrose-Moran-the-Orthodox


    Many bad and strange things are happening in Kentucky. Two are of utmost importance. Firstly, the seminary is a joke and good souls who wish to receive a priestly formation must be aware of the dangers of Kentucky. Secondly, Fr. Pfeiffer has recently aligned himself with an american-orthodox bishop named bishop ambrose moran dourovsky or something like that. I know for certain this is true because my family lives in Boston and attends mass there. There is a serious possibility that he is some kind of schismatic or heretic. For example, he said the public mass on sunday the 13th of september. What was strange was that he omitted the Nicene creed which is completely against the rubrics. Fr. Cardozo confirmed this for me. So now we are faced with the possibility of Pfeifferville departing from the doctrine of abp lefebvre.


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2015, 01:15:47 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson or other SSPX bishop should get an exorcist priest and try to help them.
    We should pray for them too.


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2015, 02:40:26 AM »
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  • This is strange. Why get involved with the Orthodox when there are independent Traditional Catholic bishops around?. Is this why Fr Voigt has gone independent?
    Fr Pfeiffer is dead against sedevacantism and he should know that the Orthodox (other than the uniate branches) do not recognise the primacy of the Roman Pope.
    They have been sedes since their original split with Rome centuries ago.

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2015, 02:58:10 AM »
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    Many bad and strange things are happening in Kentucky. Two are of utmost importance. Firstly, the seminary is a joke and good souls who wish to receive a priestly formation must be aware of the dangers of Kentucky. Secondly, Fr. Pfeiffer has recently aligned himself with an american-orthodox bishop named bishop ambrose moran dourovsky or something like that. I know for certain this is true because my family lives in Boston and attends mass there. There is a serious possibility that he is some kind of schismatic or heretic. For example, he said the public mass on sunday the 13th of september. What was strange was that he omitted the Nicene creed which is completely against the rubrics. Fr. Cardozo confirmed this for me. So now we are faced with the possibility of Pfeifferville departing from the doctrine of abp lefebvre.


    Fr Philippe Laguerie, onetime Rector of the SSPX flagship church in France, St Nicolas, and now the Superior-General of the Indult, Good Shepherd Institute is rumored to have said:
    All lunatics are not Traditionalists
    but...
    All Traditionalists are lunatics


    Now, read on:
    http://orthodoxwiki.org/Genuine_Orthodox_Church_of_America

    Genuine Orthodox Church of America

    The Genuine Orthodox Church of America (GOCA) is an independent Old Calendarist jurisdiction based in Buena Vista, Colorado, which sees itself as the only legitimate Orthodox church in America. It is not in communion with any Orthodox body. However, it has in the past claimed to maintain communion with the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece, headed by Abp. Makarios of Athens. Both Archbishop Makarios himself and his synod have repeatedly stated in official docuмents that they have no association whatsoever with this group. The GOAC is headed by Abp. Gregory (George) of Denver.

    The GOAC was formed out of a group originally under the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, which later joined three Greek Old Calendarist jurisdictions rapidly in succession (namely, that of Archbishop Chrysostomos II of Athens, the short-lived Synod of Kallinikos of the Duodecanese and Archbishop Makarios of Athens), followed by the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church (ROAC) (2000), and is now independent following the ROAC's deposition and excommunication of Abp. Gregory (2004).[1][2] With its history of being a part of various jurisdictions, the Genuine Orthodox Church of America tends to be in a constant state of hostility toward its former affiliations.

    The jurisdiction's primate, Gregory (George) of Denver (born an Antiochian), who was consecrated to the episcopacy in the ROAC, claims to be "the only hierarch in the United States who has remained free of any communion or union with this heresy of Ecuмenism who has valid apostolic succession," and thus claims "to be truly canonical."[3]

    In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008. Since the reception of a bishop can only be canonically accomplished by a synod, Archbishop Gregory initially claimed that Archbishop Makarios of Athens gave him verbal consent for the reception over the telephone. This was vehemently denied by both Archbishop Makarios and his Synod of Bishops. Six months later, Archbishop Ambrose left the GOCA and returned to his former status as an independent bishop. Since the consecration of Bishop John was administered by only two bishops, one of whom was uncanonically received into the Church and possessed questionable apostolic succession, the GOCA has become completely isolated from other Old Calendarist communities. A number of members of those communities issued condemnations immediately after his unjustified separation from the ROAC.

    The GOCA currently has two bishops, 2 monastic communities, and 4 mission parishes in the United States, plus oversees 29 parishes in the Congo, Uganda, Brazil, Italy, and Bulgaria.

    The jurisdiction is supported mainly by profits from the iconography and publishing work of its two monastic centers, Dormition Skete and Holy Apostles Convent, both in Buena Vista.

    See also:
    THE RECEPTION OF ARCHBISHOP AMBROSE
    http://www.archbishopgregory.info/chapter_41_reception_ab_ambrose.shtml

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2015, 03:16:45 AM »
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    Many bad and strange things are happening in Kentucky. Two are of utmost importance. Firstly, the seminary is a joke and good souls who wish to receive a priestly formation must be aware of the dangers of Kentucky. Secondly, Fr. Pfeiffer has recently aligned himself with an american-orthodox bishop named bishop ambrose moran dourovsky or something like that. I know for certain this is true because my family lives in Boston and attends mass there. There is a serious possibility that he is some kind of schismatic or heretic. For example, he said the public mass on sunday the 13th of september. What was strange was that he omitted the Nicene creed which is completely against the rubrics. Fr. Cardozo confirmed this for me. So now we are faced with the possibility of Pfeifferville departing from the doctrine of abp lefebvre.


    Just a thought: If all this is true then -

    Fr Pfeiffer may have received this clergyman into the Catholic Church, and, depending upon scrutiny, he may have entered the Catholic Church with valid orders. The Orthodox have no problem with the Nicene Creed but they do with the word filioque
    - Latin for "and (from) the Son".


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2015, 03:41:01 AM »
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  • If true, this is an indication that some parts of the "Resistance" are unraveling before our eyes with other news liable to become very public.

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    Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgoruky) was born in 1949 in a family of Russian-Serbian noble origin. In 1974-1985 gg. he studied first at the Ukrainian College in Rome, then studied Byzantine theology at Fordham University, major Theology at the Seminary Maryknoll (New York), received a master's degree in psychology Bacon College (New York), and then a doctorate in clinical psychology at Columbia University, has a state certificate school psychologist. Belonging to the jurisdiction of one of the branches of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in exile, in 1966, he was tonsured in rassophore, and in 1973 a monk. Ordained to the diaconate in 1973 and to the priesthood in 1974. In 1976 he accepted the great schema in the Athos monastery of St. Elias. In 1976, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church hierarchs (C) ordained bishop 8.


    http://minds.by/news/88#.VgO2cMtVhBc


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2015, 05:01:59 AM »
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    If true, this is an indication that some parts of the "Resistance" are unraveling before our eyes with other news liable to become very public.

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    Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgoruky) was born in 1949 in a family of Russian-Serbian noble origin. In 1974-1985 gg. he studied first at the Ukrainian College in Rome, then studied Byzantine theology at Fordham University, major Theology at the Seminary Maryknoll (New York), received a master's degree in psychology Bacon College (New York), and then a doctorate in clinical psychology at Columbia University, has a state certificate school psychologist. Belonging to the jurisdiction of one of the branches of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in exile, in 1966, he was tonsured in rassophore, and in 1973 a monk. Ordained to the diaconate in 1973 and to the priesthood in 1974. In 1976 he accepted the great schema in the Athos monastery of St. Elias. In 1976, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church hierarchs (C) ordained bishop 8.


    http://minds.by/news/88#.VgO2cMtVhBc



    Interesting post! Again, if true, he seems to be a very educated man, just like Bishop Williamson and Fr Suneel. Hopefully he has become a Catholic and his orders are valid.

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2015, 06:59:31 AM »
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  • So, when's the consecration?


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2015, 07:41:38 AM »
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  • This is madness

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2015, 07:59:08 AM »
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    This is strange. Why get involved with the Orthodox when there are independent Traditional Catholic bishops around?. Is this why Fr Voigt has gone independent?
    Fr Pfeiffer is dead against sedevacantism and he should know that the Orthodox (other than the uniate branches) do not recognise the primacy of the Roman Pope.
    They have been sedes since their original split with Rome centuries ago.


    So this is just a plain outright lie or sheer ignorance of the sedevacantist position.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #11 on: September 24, 2015, 09:31:45 AM »
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    Arguably a fraud
    http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8279


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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #12 on: September 24, 2015, 09:32:55 AM »
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    This is strange. Why get involved with the Orthodox when there are independent Traditional Catholic bishops around?. Is this why Fr Voigt has gone independent?
    Fr Pfeiffer is dead against sedevacantism and he should know that the Orthodox (other than the uniate branches) do not recognise the primacy of the Roman Pope.
    They have been sedes since their original split with Rome centuries ago.


    So this is just a plain outright lie or sheer ignorance of the sedevacantist position.  


    I believe it to be willful ignorance.  Anti-sedevacantists often make up new meaning to what sedevacantism is in order to allay their own tremulous fears.

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #13 on: September 24, 2015, 09:49:00 AM »
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    This is strange. Why get involved with the Orthodox when there are independent Traditional Catholic bishops around?. Is this why Fr Voigt has gone independent?
    Fr Pfeiffer is dead against sedevacantism and he should know that the Orthodox (other than the uniate branches) do not recognise the primacy of the Roman Pope.
    They have been sedes since their original split with Rome centuries ago.


    So this is just a plain outright lie or sheer ignorance of the sedevacantist position.  


    I believe it to be willful ignorance.  Anti-sedevacantists often make up new meaning to what sedevacantism is in order to allay their own tremulous fears.


    2Ver+TKGS I posted that comment. It was silly for me to stick that last line in being a sede myself.

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    Fr Pfeiffer aligns with American Orthodox bishop Ambrose Moran?
    « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2015, 10:01:48 AM »
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  • Let's see now

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