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Title: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 01:56:08 PM
I see that the Our Lady Help of Christians chapel in California run by Msgr. Perez has a Fr. Paul A. Norton assisting him.

Does anyone know where, when, or by whom Fr. Paul A. Norton was ordained a Catholic priest?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 02:18:08 PM
Was he one of Fr. Pfeiffer’s seminarians a couple years ago?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 03:05:50 PM
Was he one of Fr. Pfeiffer’s seminarians a couple years ago?
Yes.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 03:07:21 PM
According to the Catholic Candle (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JraFxACRV1Gl4LUJBL-USwlYUWlR29r6/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JraFxACRV1Gl4LUJBL-USwlYUWlR29r6/view))

"So-called “father” Paul “Paolo” R.J. Alvarez

Supposedly ordained by so-called “bishop” Joseph Macek. Source: see announcement at:
http://www.chapeloftheholyfamily.org/uploads/7/6/7/1/7671717/hf-bulletin_11.6.16.pdf"

It seems the link for the Chapel of the Holy Family is no longer online.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 03:53:19 PM

Fr. Paulo Alvarez Norton was, indeed, ordained by b. Macek of the Thuc line.

After 5 years at an SSPX seminary, he spent one year at OLMC and the left to b. Macek.

Please pray for Fr. Perez.  He was in a car accident.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 03:54:22 PM
Fr. Paulo Alvarez Norton was, indeed, ordained by b. Macek of the Thuc line.

After 5 years at an SSPX seminary, he spent one year at OLMC and the left to b. Macek.

Please pray for Fr. Perez.  He was in a car accident.
P.s. He has been a priest three years. 
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
Fr. Paulo Alvarez Norton was, indeed, ordained by b. Macek of the Thuc line.

After 5 years at an SSPX seminary, he spent one year at OLMC and the left to b. Macek.

Please pray for Fr. Perez.  He was in a car accident.
The story regarding his alleged 5-year tenure in an SSPX seminary is disputed.  According to one account, he only actually spent 12 days in an SSPX seminary (La Reja).  It would be nice if someone could contact them and inquire, as I do not speak Spanish.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
P.s. He has been a priest three years.
Since "Bishop" Macek's episcopal consecration(s) are doubtful, "Fr." Norton's priesthood is likewise doubtful.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 08:33:51 PM
The story regarding his alleged 5-year tenure in an SSPX seminary is disputed.  According to one account, he only actually spent 12 days in an SSPX seminary (La Reja).  It would be nice if someone could contact them and inquire, as I do not speak Spanish.
10 days vs 5 years (and a doubtfully valid ordination to boot) is quite a discrepancy!
Did Monsignor Perez do his homework?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 09:05:59 PM
The story regarding his alleged 5-year tenure in an SSPX seminary is disputed.  According to one account, he only actually spent 12 days in an SSPX seminary (La Reja).  It would be nice if someone could contact them and inquire, as I do not speak Spanish.
Alleged?  By whom?
Allegations and assumptions on this website make me sick.
Ever heard of a "translate" app?  Why does someone else have to do your work?  You are the one repeating supposed allegations.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 09:06:27 PM
Since "Bishop" Macek's episcopal consecration(s) are doubtful, "Fr." Norton's priesthood is likewise doubtful.
Why are they doubtful?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 09:17:31 PM
Alleged?  By whom?
Allegations and assumptions on this website make me sick.
Ever heard of a "translate" app?  Why does someone else have to do your work?  You are the one repeating supposed allegations.
Ah! St Peter?!
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 13, 2020, 09:42:34 PM
Perhaps Fr. (?) Norton could provide a reference from La Reja tstifying to his alleged 5 years in seminary study there?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2020, 06:54:54 AM
Perhaps Fr. (?) Norton could provide a reference from La Reja tstifying to his alleged 5 years in seminary study there?
A simple call or email to the seminary or district office would settle the matter.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2020, 10:16:43 PM
I wonder whether Fr. Perez contacted La Reja or the South American district?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 14, 2020, 10:20:22 PM
Does Norton, who underwent clandesting ordination by a doubtful bishop, consider verifying his claims to 5 years in La Reja slander?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2020, 12:45:18 AM
Msg Perez doesn't do homework.  Too much trouble.

Was anyone hurt in the car accident?  When & where did it occur?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2020, 04:23:43 AM
i think he went to a novus ordo seminary for several years in some obscure south american country that nobody on the street in Los Angeles can point out to. there he received minor orders in a seminary run by a novus ordo bishop that went rogue and therefore neo trad. pope francis shut him down because of this non stop whining by the near by bishops. the bishop soon after croaked. guess who was in the diocese running around as the vicar general?????? father carlos urrutigoity of the society of saint john and previously of the sspx. paul alvarez went to la reja for about two years, i think. no major orders. guess who was running the place at the time?????? now sspx superior general father davide pagliarani. guess where paul norton went afterwards?????? now bishop jean michel faure spent time tutoring him. from there he went to have a good time listening to kentucky bluegrass music. from there he went to, now 2016, get himself ordained in florida (?) by  bishop macek (youll find pictures on the internet) who happened to work with bishop taylor (rip). after that he, paul norton , paul alvarez, paulo alvarez, paulo norton, paul a norton, then went to sunny california to be with father perez (youll find pictures of norton on the website).
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2020, 06:13:15 AM
So far, we have Norton in La Reja seminary for 10 days, or for 2 yrs, or for 5 yrs.  But if anyone calls La Reja to inquire, I’m guessing they will be told 10 days.  Which if true basically means he had himself doubtfully ordained with no theological training by a doubtfully validly consecrated Bishop, and is now caring for souls.  
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 15, 2020, 10:49:06 AM
Fr. Paul Norton has responded publicly:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fr-paul-a-norton-open-letter/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fr-paul-a-norton-open-letter/)
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
Does Norton, who underwent clandesting ordination by a doubtful bishop, consider verifying his claims to 5 years in La Reja slander?
Why is Bp. Macek doubtful?
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 10:14:12 AM
So far, we have Norton in La Reja seminary for 10 days, or for 2 yrs, or for 5 yrs.  But if anyone calls La Reja to inquire, I’m guessing they will be told 10 days.  Which if true basically means he had himself doubtfully ordained with no theological training by a doubtfully validly consecrated Bishop, and is now caring for souls.  

He seemed to be saying in this letter that it was NOT years and NOT days, but a matter of months.  So a couple months would be my best guess.  Other than one year of Philosophy at some Novus Ordo Catholics University, there appears to have been very little training (with his extent of training with Fr. Pfeiffer being unspecified).
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
Why is Bp. Macek doubtful?

For one, there's no clear answer who he was even ordained/consecrated by, with reports varying of either Bishop Taylor and Adamson.  Adamson is about a half dozen steps removed from Thuc through the Datessen line and it's unclear who Adamson was ordained by (possibly Costa line).  There's no CLEAR lineage for Bishop Macek that I have been able to find anywhere.
Title: Re: Fr. Paul A. Norton?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2020, 06:53:39 AM
For one, there's no clear answer who he was even ordained/consecrated by, with reports varying of either Bishop Taylor and Adamson.  Adamson is about a half dozen steps removed from Thuc through the Datessen line and it's unclear who Adamson was ordained by (possibly Costa line).  There's no CLEAR lineage for Bishop Macek that I have been able to find anywhere.

 :'( :(