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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2020, 10:00:06 PM »
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  • What's wrong with Crawford's ordination?
    There's a pretty good discussion regarding Webster and his lineage, eventually passing through the Palmarians, which for me is a non-starter.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/bp-neal-webster/

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    « Reply #61 on: November 24, 2020, 10:59:18 PM »
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  • There's a pretty good discussion regarding Webster and his lineage, eventually passing through the Palmarians, which for me is a non-starter.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/bp-neal-webster/
    The Palmarians? Yikes!


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    « Reply #62 on: January 10, 2021, 11:34:08 AM »
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  • "I know Fr Anthony but I know next to nothing about Dominic Crawford so I won't defend him or his "organization".  However, all the things you are listing are mostly hypotheticals not actual evidence.  It really amounts to what you fear might happen, not what is actually happening.  And it is possible that you are misreading the situation."

    "It's pretty easy to take potshots at people in an anonymous forum.  But God sees all.  We will be held accountable for our calumnies and detractions.  Cathinfo anonymity will not be a protection from the wrath of God."
    I've been giving it some prayer and thought the past few months, and believe that you may be correct to a certain degree.  It is very possible that I may be misreading some of the situation, and projecting, from past experience, my fears about what might happen.  The whole "congregation" as I will call them, were very inviting, kind and warm to me when each time I did visit.  I was impressed by the goodness of the children and their piety. That's what makes me uneasy about my airing of concerns about the group, because they were all, to the last person, very kind to me.  At the same time, I no more intended to "take potshots" at them than Paul intended to when he warned others about Alexander the coppersmith.  I am not comparing myself to the Apostle, nor am imputing the crimes of Alexander to this group.  I just wanted others to be careful, because despite the beautiful, I sensed there to be some great dysfunction of the kind that I have experienced in depth, and know what it looks like.  The beautiful fruits that my community had, actually masked the severe dysfunction, a kind of dysfunction that easily is confused with piety and ascetism.
    The families that are involved in that congregation are good people, and I hope the best for them, and for unity and reconciliation with their other family members who they are estranged from.
     
    To be honest, if I could take down my post, I would because I agree with you that what I intuit and sense is not sufficient for weighing in on it, and does in fact risk crossing over into detraction with the same effect as calumny, though my intention was never to harm the reputation so much as to warn others from falling into harm's way.

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    « Reply #63 on: January 10, 2021, 08:36:34 PM »
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  • Many of these family members following Fr. Crawford claim to receive answers to all their questions and knowledge on all their beliefs, and any decisions, directly from God while praying.  They say the knowledge is infused in them during prayer by God speaking to their heart, and they can't explain it in words.  They credit this to praying a 15-decade rosary every day.”



    Hmm, interesting, I would think that praying 15 decades of the Rosary every day would protect you from such an error as falling into a cult. 

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    Re: Fr. Dominic Crawford
    « Reply #64 on: January 10, 2021, 10:25:56 PM »
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  • Many of these family members following Fr. Crawford claim to receive answers to all their questions and knowledge on all their beliefs, and any decisions, directly from God while praying.  They say the knowledge is infused in them during prayer by God speaking to their heart, and they can't explain it in words.  They credit this to praying a 15-decade rosary every day.”



    Hmm, interesting, I would think that praying 15 decades of the Rosary every day would protect you from such an error as falling into a cult
    Even though Fr. Crawford's group sounds cult-y it does not seem like a spiritually harmful one.


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    « Reply #65 on: January 12, 2021, 09:12:35 AM »
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  • Many of these family members following Fr. Crawford claim to receive answers to all their questions and knowledge on all their beliefs, and any decisions, directly from God while praying.  They say the knowledge is infused in them during prayer by God speaking to their heart, and they can't explain it in words.  They credit this to praying a 15-decade rosary every day.”



    Hmm, interesting, I would think that praying 15 decades of the Rosary every day would protect you from such an error as falling into a cult.

    A variety of people and groups promote and pray the 15-decade rosary daily, yet hold significantly contrary beliefs to each other; some so significantly different that the other groups would find them condemnable.  It seems this group, in particular, would find many things condemnable in other people and groups that promote and pray a daily 15-decade rosary; such as those who believe in baptism of desire, those who attend the Novus Ordo, those who have different beliefs about modesty, those who aren’t sedevacantist, etc.  Their former bishop, Neal Webster, is known to be a fervent advocate of praying the daily 15-decade rosary, yet this group has apparently found his actions condemnable enough to cut ties with him.  They might have thought “you would think that praying 15 decades of the Rosary every day would protect Bp. Webster from such an error as attempting to consecrate a priest who rabidly denies EENS, fervidly opposes sedevacantism, and is in union with a heretical pope.”

    What do we make of all this?  Praying the 15-decade rosary daily is a great devotion, but we ought to be very careful to avoid temptations to superstition, presumption, and tempting God, and realize that such a great devotion does not, alone, guarantee we will be free from error.

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    « Reply #66 on: January 12, 2021, 09:40:01 AM »
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  • A variety of people and groups promote and pray the 15-decade rosary daily, yet hold significantly contrary beliefs to each other; some so significantly different that the other groups would find them condemnable.  It seems this group, in particular, would find many things condemnable in other people and groups that promote and pray a daily 15-decade rosary; such as those who believe in baptism of desire, those who attend the Novus Ordo, those who have different beliefs about modesty, those who aren’t sedevacantist, etc.  Their former bishop, Neal Webster, is known to be a fervent advocate of praying the daily 15-decade rosary, yet this group has apparently found his actions condemnable enough to cut ties with him.  They might have thought “you would think that praying 15 decades of the Rosary every day would protect Bp. Webster from such an error as attempting to consecrate a priest who rabidly denies EENS, fervidly opposes sedevacantism, and is in union with a heretical pope.”

    What do we make of all this?  Praying the 15-decade rosary daily is a great devotion, but we ought to be very careful to avoid temptations to superstition, presumption, and tempting God, and realize that such a great devotion does not, alone, guarantee we will be free from error.
    Heretics always give a show of piety. Note: I am not saying any of the people we are talking about are heretics. I am only saying that demonstrations of piety are not just compatible with having erroneous beliefs, they are guaranteed to be present in groups that have erroneous beliefs. That is, after all, how these groups get formed and grow in the first place. Think of the protestants. They were able to attract people, in part, because of their devotional acts. A common Protestant refrain during (and after) the reformation was that Catholics were morally lax.  'Serious' Christians joined a Protestant group because a Protestant group promoted purity of doctrine, anti-corruption, and a view of mankind that reinforced its universal dependence on God for redemption.
    No one is ever going to join into a religious group that isn't, well, religious. Trads can be so naive. This cuts both ways: they see people attending the Novus Ordo wearing a mantilla and think maybe the N.O. is not all that bad. Or, they see some backwater and dubious 'bishop' praying a fifteen decade rosary and figure he must have everything figured out.  It's idiocy, among other things.

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    « Reply #67 on: January 13, 2021, 04:44:42 PM »
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  • Fr. Crawford recently forbade his followers from attending the wedding of their son and brother, simply because it was with CMRI.  Crawford warned his followers that any of them that went to the CMRI wedding would need to make a public abjuration in his chapel before they could receive communion again.

    This is for those thinking of having him as their priest, that you might know what will be required of you.  If you don't trust anonymous posts, at least you'll know what kind of questions you may want to ask him before getting in too deep.


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    Re: Fr. Dominic Crawford
    « Reply #68 on: January 13, 2021, 05:17:19 PM »
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  • Many of these family members following Fr. Crawford claim to receive answers to all their questions and knowledge on all their beliefs, and any decisions, directly from God while praying.  They say the knowledge is infused in them during prayer by God speaking to their heart, and they can't explain it in words.


    Claims of  "knowledge ... infused directly from God" are probably prima facie evidence of cult.  Cult leaders always like to claim divine guidance, and it's what inspires people to slavishly follow their "authority".
    Vigano for Pope !!!

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    « Reply #69 on: January 13, 2021, 05:37:12 PM »
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  • Claims of  "knowledge ... infused directly from God" are probably prima facie evidence of cult.  Cult leaders always like to claim divine guidance, and it's what inspires people to slavishly follow their "authority".
    What of the Fatima cult? In one way of thinking, with La Salette, Lourdes, Fatima, Garabandal, Our Lady of Good Success, and Medjugorge, one can say that for the last two hundred years, traditional Catholicism has been a Marian cult led by children who claim secrets from the Blessed Mother. Is that a cult? And if those apparitions are true, why would it be odd for the remnant Catholic faithful to receive messages from God? If traditional Catholicism is true and furthermore, if Feeneyite dogmatic sedevacantism is true, then only a few thousand souls are non-heretical members of the Catholic Church. So wouldn't God go to the few faithful priests and bishops who are members of the remnant and guide them? Hopefully Sts. Peter and Paul will soon come down from heaven and anoint one of these faithful Thuc Bishops the true pope and put and end to the crisis.

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    « Reply #70 on: January 13, 2021, 06:52:19 PM »
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  • So here we have, it seems, a new theology: Praying fifteen mysteries of the rosary daily = infallibility. Congrats Crawford for further diving the traditional movement.


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    « Reply #71 on: January 13, 2021, 07:35:23 PM »
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  • Even though Fr. Crawford's group sounds cult-y it does not seem like a spiritually harmful one.
    Cults are definitionally spiritually harmful. 

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    « Reply #72 on: January 13, 2021, 08:48:49 PM »
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  • Regarding Fr. Dominic Crawford. Yes he did enter CMRI's Mater Dei seminary. He was ordained a deacon by Bp. Mark Pivarunas, CMRI on May 11, 2016. Then Rev. Mr. Crawford eventually left. Then on June 10, 2017 he was ordained a priest by Bp. Neal Webster. Fr. Crawford is still in MN to my knowledge. 


     

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