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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on February 11, 2013, 06:37:48 AM
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November 29, 2012
Dear Faithful,
Fathers Francois Chazal and Joseph Pfeiffer, who had work very hard in India for many years, have nevertheless decided to take a public position against that of the Superior General and thus, on October 1st, 2012, have been expelled from the Society of St Pius X. Thus, they are no longer allowed to celebrate masses in any of our mass centers in the District of Asia.
Let us nevertheless keep them in our prayers so that one day they may see the dead end road they have chosen for themselves and those who will follow them and will humbly come back.
In the service of Christ the King and His Immaculate Mother,
Fr. Daniel Couture
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Yes, the purpose of this post??
"Let us nevertheless keep them in our prayers so that one day they may see the dead end road they have chosen for themselves and those who will follow them and will humbly come back."
Don't seems like the two Frs have come to a dead end road?????
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Yes, the purpose of this post??
"Let us nevertheless keep them in our prayers so that one day they may see the dead end road they have chosen for themselves and those who will follow them and will humbly come back."
Don't seems like the two Frs have come to a dead end road?????
The purpose of the post? My suspicion that he is using the bait of giving them back their jobs IN THE ASIA DISTRICT in return for their giving up their resistance against the trend Bp Fellay has initiated.
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Yes, the purpose of this post??
"Let us nevertheless keep them in our prayers so that one day they may see the dead end road they have chosen for themselves and those who will follow them and will humbly come back."
Don't seems like the two Frs have come to a dead end road?????
The purpose of the post? My suspicion that he is using the bait of giving them back their jobs IN THE ASIA DISTRICT in return for their giving up their resistance against the trend Bp Fellay has initiated.
BY GOLLY! You hit the nail. I see what you mean. The 'fishes' has fallen for the bait. Actually, slowly but surely, one can see the turn of events, Yesterday Yes, Today No, Tomorrow Yes Yes again.
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did the gardener recieve a letter? :thinking:
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Yes, the purpose of this post??
"Let us nevertheless keep them in our prayers so that one day they may see the dead end road they have chosen for themselves and those who will follow them and will humbly come back."
Don't seems like the two Frs have come to a dead end road?????
The purpose of the post? My suspicion that he is using the bait of giving them back their jobs IN THE ASIA DISTRICT in return for their giving up their resistance against the trend Bp Fellay has initiated.
BY GOLLY! You hit the nail. I see what you mean. The 'fishes' has fallen for the bait. Actually, slowly but surely, one can see the turn of events, Yesterday Yes, Today No, Tomorrow Yes Yes again.
Naww! "My suspicion that he is using the bait of giving them back their jobs IN THE ASIA DISTRICT in return for their giving up their resistance against the trend Bp Fellay has initiated." AND "BY GOLLY! You hit the nail. I see what you mean. The 'fishes' has fallen for the bait. Actually, slowly but surely, one can see the turn of events, Yesterday Yes, Today No, Tomorrow Yes Yes again" ...............is not happening with Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Chazal. I strongly believed that the only way for the Frs would want their jobs back is for Bishop Fellay and Fr. Couture to resign. Yes, take the cue from B16, to resign at the same time.
Anyway, I think one of the Frs has already set up base in one of the Asian district?????In war terms, that would mean 'entrechment'!!
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did the gardener recieve a letter? :thinking:
If he is a donor, then definitely. For the King-Emperor loveth a cheerful giver!! And if he gives a lot, then he should expect picture postcards from Fr Trevor Lin Man from all over the world in the course of 2013.
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.....Anyway, I think one of the Frs has already set up base in one of the Asian district?????...
Where?
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Fr Couture was delighted to visit Ireland again from 6-15th jan, his first extensivevisit after 15 years as sspx superior of Asia. Travvelling around all the chapels and Mass-centers. Father was able to celebrate Mass and give slide shows on his work and apostolate, and was grateful for all the generous donations recieved.
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Fr Couture was delighted to visit Ireland again from 6-15th jan, his first extensivevisit after 15 years as sspx superior of Asia. Travvelling around all the chapels and Mass-centers. Father was able to celebrate Mass and give slide shows on his work and apostolate, and was grateful for all the generous donations recieved.
Approximately how many faithful are there in Ireland? Is Fr Ramon Angles still there?
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difficult to estimate numbers, lost a few to indult, though they did return to greet fr couture fr angles is still resident.
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did the gardener recieve a letter? :thinking:
If he is a donor, then definitely. For the King-Emperor loveth a cheerful giver!! And if he gives a lot, then he should expect picture postcards from Fr Trevor Lin Man from all over the world in the course of 2013.
I wonder if Fr Joseph Lester, the first ( and ill-fated ) Bursar (sic) of the Asia District would also "thumbs down" this post? More of this to come....
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Fr Couture was delighted to visit Ireland again from 6-15th jan, his first extensivevisit after 15 years as sspx superior of Asia. Travvelling around all the chapels and Mass-centers. Father was able to celebrate Mass and give slide shows on his work and apostolate, and was grateful for all the generous donations recieved.
It seems that New Zealand has been removed from the Asia District and returned to the restored Australia-New Zealand District. This will mightily please the majority of the NZ faithful I hear. Sr Marie Rose of the NZ Dominicans commented about this restoration in the latest issue of the e-Apostle magazine. Was there any announcement made by Fr Couture?
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is that because they have lost priests in aisa, ie fr 's pfeiffer/ chazal, or have they been replaced?
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is that because they have lost priests in aisa, ie fr 's pfeiffer/ chazal, or have they been replaced?
No idea if they have been replaced. If rumors ( yes, yet again!) are correct, NZ was taken away from the Australia District because of a difference of opinion between Fr Laisney (NZ Prior) and Fr Black (Aus. Superior) over the servicing of New Caledonia.
Now that both men are no longer in those positions the old Australia-New Zealand District has been revived. Fr Laisney is now based in Singapore.
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there is mention of new calidonia in latest irish bulletin., one of the priests stationed there visited N.C. recently,and it seems to be small, but thriving sspx mission.......... + good weather!
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Fr Couture was delighted to visit Ireland again from 6-15th jan, his first extensivevisit after 15 years as sspx superior of Asia. Travvelling around all the chapels and Mass-centers. Father was able to celebrate Mass and give slide shows on his work and apostolate, and was grateful for all the generous donations recieved.
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Did he announce the total figure he collected?
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was taken from irish bulletin, and the irish are known for their generosity ,in matters of faith.
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was taken from irish bulletin, and the irish are known for their generosity ,in matters of faith.
Did those two Traditional Catholic cyclist brothers from America stop over in Ireland?.A couple of years ago they went on their bicycles from America to India to raise funds for the orphanage in India. Father Couture flagged them off in California. I wonder if he was in America at the time or made the journey (Singapore-San Francisco-Singapore) for this express purpose?
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Fr Pieffier has two server's, that's two more than they have in Dublin on a Sunday.
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Fr Pieffier has two server's, that's two more than they have in Dublin on a Sunday.
Do they have anyone to go around with the collection plate? Who served Fr Couture's Mass and who collected the money for him?
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probably fr angles. :kick-can:
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probably fr angles. :kick-can:
Aahh, I see! Did they go afterwards to The Merrion Hotel for a 'wee' bite?
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HA! i see dublin is still a village...... :popcorn:
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and did you also 'spy' fr deighon. :sign-surrender:
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you may someday be glad of fr deighon
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Now that Fr Chazal has parked himself in the Asia District will Fr Couture have to curb his wanderlust in order to keep an eye on the opposition? Is Fr Deighon being sent to Singapore?
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Now that Fr Chazal has parked himself in the Asia District will Fr Couture have to curb his wanderlust in order to keep an eye on the opposition? Is Fr Deighon being sent to Singapore?
Who is Fr. Deighon?
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Now that Fr Chazal has parked himself in the Asia District will Fr Couture have to curb his wanderlust in order to keep an eye on the opposition? Is Fr Deighon being sent to Singapore?
Who is Fr. Deighon?
Not listed at least in the December 2012 St John's Bulletin. If he doesn't exist then he can't go to Singapore ....
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i believe fr deighton leads the indult group in dublin.
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i believe fr deighton leads the indult group in dublin.
Then maybe he would be welcome in Singapore. Some of the ardent supporters of "Fr Superior" are (now) indultarians.
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i believe fr deighton leads the indult group in dublin.
Then maybe he would be welcome in Singapore. Some of the ardent supporters of "Fr Superior" are (now) indultarians.
YES! YES! YES! :cheers: :alcohol: :rahrah: :dancing:
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Now that Fr Chazal has parked himself in the Asia District will Fr Couture have to curb his wanderlust in order to keep an eye on the opposition? Is Fr Deighon being sent to Singapore?
Who is Fr. Deighon?
Fr Francois Laisney will go to Korea/Japan for Holy Week.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
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Fr Laisney is one of the big guns.
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Fr Laisney is one of the big guns.
Is that why he is going to Japan and Korea? He is in India at present.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
Has there been an official announcement that New Zealand is no longer a part of the Asia District?
I wonder if Fr Laisney will "bump into" Fr Chazal in Japan/Korea and try to " turn him around"?
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fat chance!
:light-saber:
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fat chance!
:light-saber:
Hey come on! They were buddies before!
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
I can't follow his English only for the Epistle and Gospel (if I don't have my missal with me) since he has the tendency to read the Epistle and Gospel in English as if he is chanting it.
But seriously, when it comes to his sermon, it is indeed very good. Easy to understand and to the point...and always quoting something from St Thomas' Summa. Unlike some other priests who goes long-winded about virtues every week.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
I can't follow his English only for the Epistle and Gospel (if I don't have my missal with me) since he has the tendency to read the Epistle and Gospel in English as if he is chanting it.
But seriously, when it comes to his sermon, it is indeed very good. Easy to understand and to the point...and always quoting something from St Thomas' Summa. Unlike some other priests who goes long-winded about virtues every week.
He relishes a theological discussion putting forward the Society's point of view. I feel that he will seek out Fr Chazal for "debate". Thomas Aquinas versus Sun Tsu!
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
I can't follow his English only for the Epistle and Gospel (if I don't have my missal with me) since he has the tendency to read the Epistle and Gospel in English as if he is chanting it.
But seriously, when it comes to his sermon, it is indeed very good. Easy to understand and to the point...and always quoting something from St Thomas' Summa. Unlike some other priests who goes long-winded about virtues every week.
He relishes a theological discussion putting forward the Society's point of view. I feel that he will seek out Fr Chazal for "debate". Thomas Aquinas versus Sun Tsu!
Thomas Aquinas 'Summa' versus Sun Tzu 'The Art of War'? Well, just to recap Fr. Chazal's "War On", Fr. Laisney TRIED FOR 3 DAYS in the Philippines, interrogating/sweet-talk/threatening, Fr. Chazal to obey +Fellay thru Fr. Couture. 3 DAYS! Now who is stronger? In Faith, Moral, Courage?? And you mentioned 'debate'? :facepalm: Oh come on. The resistance if here to stay.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
I can't follow his English only for the Epistle and Gospel (if I don't have my missal with me) since he has the tendency to read the Epistle and Gospel in English as if he is chanting it.
But seriously, when it comes to his sermon, it is indeed very good. Easy to understand and to the point...and always quoting something from St Thomas' Summa. Unlike some other priests who goes long-winded about virtues every week.
He relishes a theological discussion putting forward the Society's point of view. I feel that he will seek out Fr Chazal for "debate". Thomas Aquinas versus Sun Tsu!
Thomas Aquinas 'Summa' versus Sun Tzu 'The Art of War'? Well, just to recap Fr. Chazal's "War On", Fr. Laisney TRIED FOR 3 DAYS in the Philippines, interrogating/sweet-talk/threatening, Fr. Chazal to obey +Fellay thru Fr. Couture. 3 DAYS! Now who is stronger? In Faith, Moral, Courage?? And you mentioned 'debate'? :facepalm: Oh come on. The resistance if here to stay.
Thanks for this info - didn't know this. Just Thought Fr Laisney had only written something trying to contradict Fr Pfeiffer. Personally, I think Fr L should be poisted in Menzingen/France not in our district.
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Will the resistance be there. :surprised:
Hard to know as Fr Chazal's itinerary does not contain specifics! Maybe Fr Laisney is going there, rather than Fr Onoda, because there's something afoot? Does anybody know? Fr Laisney has been in fine form with his sermons lately.
Fr Laisney's sermons are always top notch.
You gotta big kidding? 'top notch'???? During his sermon, three-quaters of the faithfuls 'fast asleep' and you mention 'top-notch'. :laugh1: :laugh2: :faint:
Hahahahaha!!!! Resistance guys can sniff out the Accordistas!!!!
Seriously, many dont appreciate his sermons because they cant follow his English. Those who can, say these are very good. Anyways - the cruel poeple say of Singapore: One is always travelling, the other is always sleeping, and third is always talking!
I can't follow his English only for the Epistle and Gospel (if I don't have my missal with me) since he has the tendency to read the Epistle and Gospel in English as if he is chanting it.
But seriously, when it comes to his sermon, it is indeed very good. Easy to understand and to the point...and always quoting something from St Thomas' Summa. Unlike some other priests who goes long-winded about virtues every week.
He relishes a theological discussion putting forward the Society's point of view. I feel that he will seek out Fr Chazal for "debate". Thomas Aquinas versus Sun Tsu!
Thomas Aquinas 'Summa' versus Sun Tzu 'The Art of War'? Well, just to recap Fr. Chazal's "War On", Fr. Laisney TRIED FOR 3 DAYS in the Philippines, interrogating/sweet-talk/threatening, Fr. Chazal to obey +Fellay thru Fr. Couture. 3 DAYS! Now who is stronger? In Faith, Moral, Courage?? And you mentioned 'debate'? :facepalm: Oh come on. The resistance if here to stay.
Thanks for this info - didn't know this. Just Thought Fr Laisney had only written something trying to contradict Fr Pfeiffer. Personally, I think Fr L should be poisted in Menzingen/France not in our district.
You are welcome.
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So Fr Couture says that Frs JPfeiffer & Chazal cannot use the chapels of the SSPX. What is the current situation concerning Asia District? These two priests, either together or separately having been coming to India since October 2012 but neither has actually arrived there. Some doubt that they will obtain visas for the country. One priest, not an Accordista in thinking, dismissed the possibility of at least one of the duo coming, saying: He only goes where he gets his comforts (my paraphrase).
Does anyone know?
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So Fr Couture says that Frs JPfeiffer & Chazal cannot use the chapels of the SSPX. What is the current situation concerning Asia District? These two priests, either together or separately having been coming to India since October 2012 but neither has actually arrived there. Some doubt that they will obtain visas for the country. One priest, not an Accordista in thinking, dismissed the possibility of at least one of the duo coming, saying: He only goes where he gets his comforts (my paraphrase).Does anyone know?
Would you like to elaborate your paraphrase??
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So Fr Couture says that Frs JPfeiffer & Chazal cannot use the chapels of the SSPX. What is the current situation concerning Asia District? These two priests, either together or separately having been coming to India since October 2012 but neither has actually arrived there. Some doubt that they will obtain visas for the country. One priest, not an Accordista in thinking, dismissed the possibility of at least one of the duo coming, saying: He only goes where he gets his comforts (my paraphrase).Does anyone know?
Would you like to elaborate your paraphrase??
Sure. The priest said that Fr X would not come to India because he only goes where he gets his comforts ( meaning, if he came he would really have to rough it out in the absence of official SSPX facilities, and this is not his style).
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someone does't like the french priest.... or the french canadian.
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someone does't like the french priest.... or the french canadian.
Well maybe they will send Fr Couture to Britain and Fr Morgan to Singapore, yes?
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fr morgan may as wll hunker down in singapore as anywhere else. :cool:
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fr morgan may as wll hunker down in singapore as anywhere else. :cool:
But will he be able to beard the Accordista lions in the Lion City?
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fr morgan may as wll hunker down in singapore as anywhere else. :cool:
But will he be able to beard the Accordista lions in the Lion City?
BUT...........isn't fr morgan an Accordista himself? a pro-fellyite?? :confused1: :scratchchin:
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So Fr Couture says that Frs JPfeiffer & Chazal cannot use the chapels of the SSPX. What is the current situation concerning Asia District? These two priests, either together or separately having been coming to India since October 2012 but neither has actually arrived there. Some doubt that they will obtain visas for the country. One priest, not an Accordista in thinking, dismissed the possibility of at least one of the duo coming, saying: He only goes where he gets his comforts (my paraphrase).Does anyone know?
Would you like to elaborate your paraphrase??
Sure. The priest said that Fr X would not come to India because he only goes where he gets his comforts ( meaning, if he came he would really have to rough it out in the absence of official SSPX facilities, and this is not his style).
"The priest said....." Perhaps you could ask 'the priest' whether he 'the priest' had any time when he was in India (???) did visit the leper community? Well I am sure Fr X did actually help in the community (if we have the same Fr X in mind), but I doubt fr couture, fr laisney or fr salvador did. Correct me if I am wrong. Can't imagine them helping in the leper community in India. :pop: so 'to rough out in the absence of official SSPX facilities' is ????????? :facepalm:
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So Fr Couture says that Frs JPfeiffer & Chazal cannot use the chapels of the SSPX. What is the current situation concerning Asia District? These two priests, either together or separately having been coming to India since October 2012 but neither has actually arrived there. Some doubt that they will obtain visas for the country. One priest, not an Accordista in thinking, dismissed the possibility of at least one of the duo coming, saying: He only goes where he gets his comforts (my paraphrase).Does anyone know?
Would you like to elaborate your paraphrase??
Sure. The priest said that Fr X would not come to India because he only goes where he gets his comforts ( meaning, if he came he would really have to rough it out in the absence of official SSPX facilities, and this is not his style).
"The priest said....." Perhaps you could ask 'the priest' whether he 'the priest' had any time when he was in India (???) did visit the leper community? Well I am sure Fr X did actually help in the community (if we have the same Fr X in mind), but I doubt fr couture, fr laisney or fr salvador did. Correct me if I am wrong. Can't imagine them helping in the leper community in India. :pop: so 'to rough out in the absence of official SSPX facilities' is ????????? :facepalm:
Hmmm! I get what you are saying! I wont name the FrX, but I'm sure if he knew what "my" priest was saying, he may well have retorted: Now look who's talking!!!
Concerning the 3 Musketeers of Singapore, I pass! :wink:
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a few musketeers available for export from the emerald isle.
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a few musketeers available for export from the emerald isle.
Ireland or Sri Lanka? Do you know that when there was that Tsunami in Sri Lanka, Fr Couture mused whether one of the reasons could have been the pedofilia going on there. Near the airport was a large hoarding warning foreign tourists of the dire consequences of indulging in sex with local children. So it was obvious that tourists were coming in to take advantage of the poverty to indulge in such things. Yet, Fr DC wondered if this activity brought about the calamity. Not a word about chastisement needed for the Western countries whence these tourists came from!
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to hell or to connaght, the words of cromwell as he drove catholics from their lands. fr angles is happy here, though,
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to hell or to connaght, the words of cromwell as he drove catholics from their lands. fr angles is happy here, though,
Is he officially the Emeritus Superior or Honorary Superior? Fr Couture is also Emeritus Superior of Ireland. But Angles' position is similar to Pope Benny's. He's not moved out of the country. Maybe he could move to Singapore. On second thoughts, no.
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i suppose he would answer to emeritus.... if he answered at all....
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He has some kind of bone deforming arthritis and I beleive that he is often in hospital. I dont think he is going anywhere.
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He has some kind of bone deforming arthritis and I beleive that he is often in hospital. I dont think he is going anywhere.
Wont living in a cold, damp country aggravate such a condition? Wouldn't the dry, sunny weather of his native Spain be beneficial? What's the matter with these guys?
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to hell or to connaght, the words of cromwell as he drove catholics from their lands. fr angles is happy here, though,
Is he officially the Emeritus Superior or Honorary Superior? Fr Couture is also Emeritus Superior of Ireland. But Angles' position is similar to Pope Benny's. He's not moved out of the country. Maybe he could move to Singapore. On second thoughts, no.
Fr Couture just loves Ireland! Why? Wasn't he not at Post falls prior to that? He has never spoken about that place. And he never speaks about his home country. He has said that the Asia District is the best in the world ( to Fr Lester ...famous last words?). Why, when some would say it is the worst?. Maybe he wants to stay there forever with the occasional visit to Ireland.
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who is fr lester? whats not to like about ireland? :popcorn:
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who is fr lester? whats not to like about ireland? :popcorn:
Fr Lester was the first Bursar ever to be appointed in the Asia District, long after its foundation. Appointed to keep a tab on things. I believe he has left the SSPX (and the priesthood I was once told, but cannot confirm this).
The Asia District Bursar's post again went sede vacante for some years until Fr Laisney recently filled the seat. He and Couture are a mutual admiration society. So there will be no hiccups.
There's everything to like about Ireland. The country, the pubs, the food, and of course, the people.
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Has it been a while since you were here? :surprised:
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Has it been a while since you were here? :surprised:
ummh! 40 years long enough?
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THERE IS STILL SOME LAND LEFT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ON, DURING THE 'CELTIC TIGER' YEARS... ZILLIONS OF PUBS CLOSED IN THE RECESSION, AND THE OTHERS CHARGE EXORBITANT PRICES,FOOD NOW IS MOST LIKELY TO BE CHINESE TAKEAWAY, OR VINDALOO, AND YOU'D BE HARD SET TO FIND A STREET OF IRISH FOLK, NOW THAT BORDERS ARE OPEN TO ALL 'CEAD MEILE FAILTE'...... :soapbox:
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THERE IS STILL SOME LAND LEFT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT ON, DURING THE 'CELTIC TIGER' YEARS... ZILLIONS OF PUBS CLOSED IN THE RECESSION, AND THE OTHERS CHARGE EXORBITANT PRICES,FOOD NOW IS MOST LIKELY TO BE CHINESE TAKEAWAY, OR VINDALOO, AND YOU'D BE HARD SET TO FIND A STREET OF IRISH FOLK, NOW THAT BORDERS ARE OPEN TO ALL 'CEAD MEILE FAILTE'...... :soapbox:
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The same story the world over, in every continent. Travel is easier, people are willing to do certain type of work that they wont do at home, there are population declines and emigration which keep the door open for others to come in. In your case, you have St Patrick to turn to. May he intercede for all once-Catholic places.
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Tomorrow, the sspx in ireland will celebrate the feast of St Patrick, it is transfered because of Passion Sunday...
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Tomorrow, the sspx in ireland will celebrate the feast of St Patrick, it is transfered because of Passion Sunday...
How is the SSPX doing in Ireland today? Was it's heyday under Fr Couture and did it spin into decline? Has it revived under Fr Morgan?
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anyone see fr morgon lately? sspx is dead in ireland... some activity in midlands, but thats it. cushy place for some priests, nothing much to do, suppose thats why they want to stay.
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anyone see fr morgon lately? sspx is dead in ireland... some activity in midlands, but thats it. cushy place for some priests, nothing much to do, suppose thats why they want to stay.
That's strange about Fr Morgan. He was terrific in Manila and is missed by the old-timers even today. There are many cushy places all over the world for the priests. The laypeople are fearful to say anything in case there is a backlash!
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fr morgon= that was then, this is now. :surprised:
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fr morgon= that was then, this is now. :surprised:
I suppose nothing should surprise us now! What a terrible state of affairs - looks like the fight has gone out of the SSPX!
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Fr couture was always seeking to draw souls to tradition, when he was in Ireland, i wonder what he thinks of the decline of sspx there now.
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Fr couture was always seeking to draw souls to tradition, when he was in Ireland, i wonder what he thinks of the decline of sspx there now.
Maybe he can swap places with Fr Morgan?
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the elusive fr morgon. too much ground to cover. the cynisym of menz in action. (inaction) :popcorn:
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the elusive fr morgon. too much ground to cover. the cynisym of menz in action. (inaction) :popcorn:
This wont do! Drape him in a white cassock and pack him off to Manila where his adoring faithful await his return!
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Fr couture was always seeking to draw souls to tradition, when he was in Ireland, i wonder what he thinks of the decline of sspx there now.
An Irish poster (Helen50) on Ignis Ardens said that Fr Couture visited Ireland recently for fundraising purposes. It seems that many of his former parishioners in that country have gone to their rest. Did you meet him? The SSPX has declined in other places as well, since the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм hasn't it?
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someone who travels to europe a lot, says things in ireland with sspx are unique.
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someone who travels to europe a lot, says things in ireland with sspx are unique.
Is it Fr Couture who is saying this? He flies business class only if the journey is more than 10 hours, in order to get some sleep. Otherwise, it's economy class. Years ago, the late Charles O'Connor who retired to Ireland from South Africa said that everyone at Dún Laoghaire blindly followed Couture. He quoted 150 as being the strength at St John's. (17 years ago?)
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fr couture was very popular as superior in ireland, although he had his dislikers too. he worked hard for tradition, and was always trying to draw souls, in every part of ireland. sad to see the changes there now.
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fr couture was very popular as superior in ireland, although he had his dislikers too. he worked hard for tradition, and was always trying to draw souls, in every part of ireland. sad to see the changes there now.
That may be true, but he's been a superior for far too long IMHO, and should be replaced. The Law of Diminishing Returns applies in his case, as far as I am concerned.
Yes, I recall in the early days of his superiorship in Asia his fans in Ireland would post him Christmas cake and pudding, and treacle and whatnot!
I say he must go, but I'm sure he wont! Like another even more (in?)famous superior that we keep hearing about ....
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hmmm. superiors may step aside at some stage, but do they ever really go away, it seem, like, not in ireland! :thinking:
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hmmm. superiors may step aside at some stage, but do they ever really go away, it seem, like, not in ireland! :thinking:
Which of these is still "lingering" around Ireland ... Couture, Dubroceque, Angles..?
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some cant stay away, another just wont go.
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some cant stay away, another just wont go.
The poster Helen50 on IA says that the chapel (Dun Laoghaire?) is in "shambles". What's going on? Is Fr Morgan suffering from Fellayitis? There was talk that he spearheaded the Resistance at the General Chapter of July 2012. He is a reasonable enough person to be spoken to about these issues.
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Ax to grind, D?
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thats no lady. :really-mad2:
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Coming to the original post of this thread, Fr Daniel Couture was in Mumbai, India on March 16th and 17th. His first visit to the Mass centers there in over 5 years I am told. If I quote him correctly, he warned the faithful about an impending visit to that city by Fr Francois Chazal, of the Resistance, and he told the faithful that they should even avoid inviting Fr Chazal to their homes for a social visit as that priest would then turn around and ask if he could say Mass at their place.
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Coming to the original post of this thread, Fr Daniel Couture was in Mumbai, India on March 16th and 17th. His first visit to the Mass centers there in over 5 years I am told. If I quote him correctly, he warned the faithful about an impending visit to that city by Fr Francois Chazal, of the Resistance, and he told the faithful that they should even avoid inviting Fr Chazal to their homes for a social visit as that priest would then turn around and ask if he could say Mass at their place.
That's understandable. What would you expect if someone else comes and tries to lure the faithful away? More so now that there is mention of Fr. Pfeiffer 'red-lighting' attendance at SSPX chapels completely. Tradition is small enough as it is, and now it is going to break further into smaller groups. I'm sad at how things have become.
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Indeed, it is a tragidy, everyone suffers when shepherds desert the flock, on this, the anniversary of the death of ABL, may true shepherds hear his words anew, and return to the fold. :sad:
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Coming to the original post of this thread, Fr Daniel Couture was in Mumbai, India on March 16th and 17th. His first visit to the Mass centers there in over 5 years I am told. If I quote him correctly, he warned the faithful about an impending visit to that city by Fr Francois Chazal, of the Resistance, and he told the faithful that they should even avoid inviting Fr Chazal to their homes for a social visit as that priest would then turn around and ask if he could say Mass at their place.
That's understandable. What would you expect if someone else comes and tries to lure the faithful away? More so now that there is mention of Fr. Pfeiffer 'red-lighting' attendance at SSPX chapels completely. Tradition is small enough as it is, and now it is going to break further into smaller groups. I'm sad at how things have become.
Mumbai has two Mass centers with a total crowd of about 60, many of whom are unaware of what's going on. While Frs Chazal and Pfeiffer had their favorites in Mumbai, they were not popular with everyone, so personal invitations to visit homes may be quite scarce. More than that, at one time Fr Chazal's favorites ( who were main players at the old priory) alleged that Fr Joe engineered the ouster of Fr Chazal as Prior in order that his brother Fr Tim fill in the slot! So, Fr Chazal will be welcomed at the orphanage that housed the now defunct priory, while Fr Joe will not!!!. In fact some months ago Fr Joe's India Pablo came on a scouting/healing mission to the old priory which obviously wasn't a success!
To summarize: Fr Chazal will most likely find accommodation and a place to say Mass at the orphanage that housed the old priory, but Fr Joe wont have any place to go there!
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We are all victims of Origional Sin, even the good fathers, :pray:
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We are all victims of Origional Sin, even the good fathers, :pray:
Yes of course dear! But this is supposed to be a crisis in the Church not a crisis in priestly etiquette among Traditional priests. Or is it? The bane of the mission in India has been these plastic St Francis Xaviers cropping up interminably!
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We are all victims of Origional Sin, even the good fathers, :pray:
What about Baptism? Were not the "good fathers" baptized?
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yes, baptism removes origional sin, but does not repair our fallen nature, :sad:
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yes, baptism removes origional sin, but does not repair our fallen nature, :sad:
They should try bleach or something! Here they are ordained as priests and have all spiritual aids available like monthly recollections, annual retreats, spiritual conferences. Many of the Trad priests are quick to slag off Novus Ordo ones. Alas! Physician heal thyself!
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Perhaps more prayer and penance for the priests rather than constant bitching. Today (Maundy Thursday) of all days!
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Perhaps more prayer and penance for the priests rather than constant bitching. Today (Maundy Thursday) of all days!
This is a discussion forum not a priest-worshipping one. IN ASIA DISTRICT WORD ( NOT BITCHING) IS OUT THAT ANOTHER PRIESTLY DISASTER IS WAITING TO HAPPEN!
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Perhaps more prayer and penance for the priests rather than constant bitching. Today (Maundy Thursday) of all days!
This is a discussion forum not a priest-worshipping one. IN ASIA DISTRICT WORD ( NOT BITCHING) IS OUT THAT ANOTHER PRIESTLY DISASTER IS WAITING TO HAPPEN!
Please elaborate.
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Oh please God no! we need a small bit of stability. :cry: