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Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
« on: October 24, 2021, 11:23:49 AM »
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  • I've been attending an SSPX Chapel for over a year now but only recently did I find out that the priest who has been my confessor in all that time was ordained in the new rite of ordination and was never conditionally reordained by the SSPX. Initially, I had thought he was ordained prior to the changes in the rite of ordination but, that appears to not be the case.

    This Chapel is the only place within a reasonable distance from where I live where I thought I could receive the sacraments validly. Now I'm concerned that I haven't been absolved from the sins that I've confessed for going on a year now. I really have no idea what to do now as there aren't any other options that I know of.

    I'm strongly reconsidering sedevacantism at the moment but, I'm kind of waffling on the subject because I don't want to pick the wrong position and place myself in schism based on either position I take or make a bad confession as a result of that if I were able to find someone to hear it in the future. I'm very distraught that I am unable, at least presently, to find a validly ordained priest who would hear my general confession and don't know what to do in order to solve this problem. 

    It's very unfortunate because this priest who I have been seeing as a confessor was very patient and easy to talk to. I don't want to randomly show up to a chapel that I haven't been to before and have different priest that I've never met before that get irritable with me because I want to make a general confession which would likely take a long time. I've had this happen before with two different SSPX priests before (one who was also formerly Novus Ordo but, also, was likely never reordained and another who was likely validly ordained but is promoting the vaccines because Francis says it's good) get angry with me simply because I want to make a good, thorough confession and they evidently felt like I was wasting their time because it took longer than 5 minutes.

    As a result of this, I don't know if I can or should go back to the SSPX. How can anyone know for certain if they're validly receiving the sacraments if they've stopped reordaining priests who come to them from the Novus Ordo?

    I would be very appreciative if anyone could offer some advice on what to do in this situation. I live in the northeastern part of the United States if that is a sufficient yet vague enough description of my geographic location.

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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2021, 12:07:54 PM »
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  • I honestly don't think you've done anything wrong?? I can't see how your confession can't be valid.

    Don't forget venial sins are forgiven during the mass and don't need the confessional, but mortal sin is forgiven in the confessional and it sounds perfectly valid.

    If your still worried perhaps phone another sspx priest from a different parish.


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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2021, 12:55:59 PM »
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  • Reply 2 contains a very important qualification when it counsels that you look for "another surely valid group of priests." "Surely" is key. That means you have to check out the ordaining "bishop" online. One of the former "big names" in trad circles was ordained an SSPX "priest" with only one hand in contravention of Pius XII's infallible teaching in 1947. Whether one-handed conferral of priestly orders after Pius's Sacramentum ordinis is absolutely invalidating has never been decided by the Church. However, such ordination IS defective, and the issue becomes a matter of practical doubt. And in practical doubt, what a Catholic must do in the here-and-now is to reject such orders, for almost all the sacraments depend on valid holy orders.


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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2021, 02:51:28 PM »
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  • I've been attending an SSPX Chapel for over a year now but only recently did I find out that the priest who has been my confessor in all that time was ordained in the new rite of ordination and was never conditionally reordained by the SSPX. Initially, I had thought he was ordained prior to the changes in the rite of ordination but, that appears to not be the case.

    This Chapel is the only place within a reasonable distance from where I live where I thought I could receive the sacraments validly. Now I'm concerned that I haven't been absolved from the sins that I've confessed for going on a year now. I really have no idea what to do now as there aren't any other options that I know of.

    I'm strongly reconsidering sedevacantism at the moment but, I'm kind of waffling on the subject because I don't want to pick the wrong position and place myself in schism based on either position I take or make a bad confession as a result of that if I were able to find someone to hear it in the future. I'm very distraught that I am unable, at least presently, to find a validly ordained priest who would hear my general confession and don't know what to do in order to solve this problem.

    It's very unfortunate because this priest who I have been seeing as a confessor was very patient and easy to talk to. I don't want to randomly show up to a chapel that I haven't been to before and have different priest that I've never met before that get irritable with me because I want to make a general confession which would likely take a long time. I've had this happen before with two different SSPX priests before (one who was also formerly Novus Ordo but, also, was likely never reordained and another who was likely validly ordained but is promoting the vaccines because Francis says it's good) get angry with me simply because I want to make a good, thorough confession and they evidently felt like I was wasting their time because it took longer than 5 minutes.

    As a result of this, I don't know if I can or should go back to the SSPX. How can anyone know for certain if they're validly receiving the sacraments if they've stopped reordaining priests who come to them from the Novus Ordo?

    I would be very appreciative if anyone could offer some advice on what to do in this situation. I live in the northeastern part of the United States if that is a sufficient yet vague enough description of my geographic location.

    Bishop Zendejas is in the Connecticut-New York border area, if you are near there?


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    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2021, 03:14:14 PM »
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  • Regarding SSPX Priests, I only receive the sacraments from the ones that I know. I usually search the internet for information about their ordination. You can search for the name of the Priest on this blog http://elintegristamejicano.blogspot.com/ . It lists, if not all, most of the Priests ordained at the SSPX.

    About your case in particular, I would find a valid Traditional Catholic Priest (SSPX, Sedevacantist, whatever) and confess all the mortal sins that I had confessed to the doubtful Priest. Leave the venials sins out. If you focus on the mortal sins, it won't take that long. Only mortal sins are mandatory to confess.

    If there are valid Sedevacantists Priest near, I would go to them. If they don't demand that you agree with them on everything, it's fine. Dogmatic Sedevacantists could refuse to help you. It would be better to know beforehand the position of the Priest. I don't have experience with Sedevacantists, but I believe that they are fine.

    I don't worry too much about my "position". There are saints who followed the wrong Pope during the Western Schism. If you are not dogmatic about your position, I don't see a problem. It is merely an opinion.

    I wouldn't receive any sacraments, nor attend any Masses celebrated by the Novus Ordo SSPX Priest. It is a sin to receive doubtful sacraments. If you can find a valid SSPX Priest near, you can go to him.

    Finding out if a Sedevacantist Priest is valid can be a little tricky. There are a few threads here on Cathinfo about it. You will have to research.

    I wouldn't worry about how many hands were used at ordinaiton or consecration.

    This is my honest advice.

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  • I wouldn't receive any sacraments, nor attend any Masses celebrated by the Novus Ordo SSPX Priest. It is a sin to receive doubtful sacraments. If you can find a valid SSPX Priest near, you can go to him.



    True, but this presumes the form of the new rites are, objectively speaking, positively doubtful.

    There has been much bƖσσdshɛd on Cathinfo on that topic, and most of the time, I think the rite of bishops is doubtful (and therefore so too are the priests ordained by them), but there are also good arguments against that position.

    For me, like you, I just play it safe and shun any who used the new rites.  I have enough to worry about without adding that mess to the list.

    Incidentally, for me that would also be a reason to stay away from the sedevacantists, since I'm not sure their consecrations (Thuc) were valid.  Maybe they were, and maybe they weren't, but I stay away from them for the same reason I stay away from the ovus Ordo clergy.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2021, 03:33:47 PM »
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  • Be on the safe side, only go to priests ordained in the old rite by a bishop who was himself ordained as priest, then consecrated as bishop in the old rite.  

    If you can't find a valid priest, look at the eastern Catholics, if they are in your area. Their priests are ordained in their old rites by bishops with valid orders.  Always check though, there are a few Novus Ordo transfers in the East, so check, but almost all are valid.
     


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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2021, 03:54:24 PM »
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    I would be very appreciative if anyone could offer some advice on what to do in this situation. I live in the northeastern part of the United States if that is a sufficient yet vague enough description of my geographic location.

    Father David Hewko, SSPX-MC presently resides in the Northeast and tries to always make himself available for souls. Here is his contact info:

    Fr.d.hewko@gamil.com
    315-391-7575

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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
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  • Father David Hewko, SSPX-MC presently resides in the Northeast and tries to always make himself available for souls. Here is his contact info:

    Fr.d.hewko@gamil.com
    315-391-7575

    ^^^ 
    Email address typo. The correct address is: 

    fr.d.hewko@gmail.com

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    Re: Found out priest was ordained in New Rite
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2021, 04:10:55 PM »
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  • About your case in particular, I would find a valid Traditional Catholic Priest (SSPX, Sedevacantist, whatever) and confess all the mortal sins that I had confessed to the doubtful Priest. Leave the venials sins out. If you focus on the mortal sins, it won't take that long. Only mortal sins are mandatory to confess.

    Yep.  There was a Traditional Redemptorist priest who filled in for Father Carley for some time, and he was hearing general confessions.  He stated from the pulpit that they should take no more than 5-10 minutes, regardless of how bad you were, since "there are only 10 commandments".  He explained just the sin and the number, that's it.  He didn't want 10 minutes of explanations around the circuмstances around all of them.  Biggest challenge with a general might be the number, so just ballpark it.  God only expects the best you can do honestly.  I knew some scrupulous people who would exaggerate the number just to make sure it was covered.  In other words, if I say 1,000 even if it was a couple dozen, well that number covers it.  But that's wrong too and is not accurate.  You're trying to get to "truth" as close as you can.  So if you say 11 when it was 12 due to faulty memory, that's more accurate than saying 1,000 (just to make sure you have it "covered").

    As this poster said, just the moral sins, the name, and the number (best you can guess).  That shouldn't take more than a few minutes.  Sometimes penitents tend to explore the sin, try to work out with the priest whether it was mortal, etc.  If you follow the probabilism of a St. Alphonsus, just confess the ones you are sure were mortal and not stew over the borderline cases.

    I would just begin the confessions stating that all the numbers are best guesses and not for certain, and then start to rattle them off.


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  • I would just begin the confessions stating that all the numbers are best guesses and not for certain, and then start to rattle them off.
    when I don't know the number and can't estimate, I just say that I committed "many times". Is it wrong?

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  • I always went to NO-ordained priests, sadly. Should I stop and wait for a real traditional priest?

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  • See, this fear of a priest being annoyed by your making a general confession, I'm starting to see more and more among Traditional priests.  They consider it a burden to hear confessions.  Listen up, priests, you were not ordained a priest because you're so awesome.  No man is worthy of it.  Your only reason for being a priest is to feed the sheep, to care for the faithful.  Otherwise, there's no reason for you; many of you would otherwise have been bagging groceries for a living.  I was in line with a number of faithful once for 30 minutes (there were quite a few in line the entire time) before this younger neo-SSPX priest bothered to begin hearing confessions, because he was (literally) socializing in the parking lot.  Unfortunately, some priests are motivated to become priests because of their egos, because it makes them feel special and exalted.  They relish the faithful bowing their heads when addressing them as "Father".  They need to snap out of it before they lose their souls.

    On another occasion, this was from a priest ordained in the 1970s, and a woman came into the sacristy before Mass urgently asking him to hear her confession.  She obviously came in before Mass because she, oh, perhaps wanted to receive Holy Communion.  So this priest responded, "I'll hear your Confession after breakfast."  No, not even after Mass, but after BREAKFAST.  If I were a priest, I would have ushered the altar boys out of the sacristy, closed the door, and heard her Confession.  You don't necessarily want to go out to the chapel because then a line would form and that would delay Mass.  That's one of the many things I love about Father Carley.  EVERY SINGLE MASS, even weekday Masses, he goes into the Confessional before Mass at least for 15-20 minutes, depending on how many might be in the church, just in case.  If he sees people getting into line before then, he'll hop right in, even if it's 45 minutes early before a weekday Mass.

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  • when I don't know the number and can't estimate, I just say that I committed "many times". Is it wrong?

    I'm' sure you know enough to give an "is it bigger than a breadbox" estimate.  So, for instance, you can say, "Father, I really have no idea how many times, but I would say it's more than (x) and less than (y)."  And that could be ("more than 100 and less than 1000"), so the gap can be large depending on your recollection.  Or else you could say "x times per day" or "x times per week" or "x times per month" over the course of 15 years, or whatever.  I'm sure that a priest wouldn't accept "many times".  That could be 10 or it could be 100,000.  So that doesn't narrow it down enough.  Or just describe it.  One of the biggest things is impure thoughts.  If people are worldly and give into impure thoughts on a regular basis then coming up with a number would be impossible.  Well, just CHARACTERIZE the sin that way.  "I made no attempt to curb impure thoughts over the course of 10 years.  And it may have been 100s or 1000s a day sometimes."  Something like that to give some kind of a picture.  It doesn't have to be mathematically exact, but give the priest some kind of idea.  Or "I committed fornication [many times]."  Is that 10 or is that 10,000 times with 500 different women, half of whom were married (thus making the sin adultery)?  So just be up front with the priest that you don't really know the numbers but come up with some way to characterize the frequency.  Probably breaking it down by "times per day" or "times per week" or "times per month", etc. would be your best bet.