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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2018, 07:09:15 PM »
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  • Sardá y Salvany, Felix (1899). "What is Liberalism?" St. Louis: B. Herder

    The Liberals tell us that our violent methods of warfare against them are not in conformity with the Pope's counsels to moderation and charity. Has he not exhorted Catholic writers to a love of peace and union; to avoid harsh, aggressive and personal polemics? How then can we Ultramontanes reconcile the Holy Father's wishes with our fierce methods? Let us consider the force of the Liberals' objection. To whom does the Holy Father address these repeated admonitions? Always to the Catholic press, to Catholic journalists, to those who are supposed to be worthy of the name. These counsels to moderation and charity, therefore, are always addressed to Catholics, discussing with other Catholics free questions, i.e., not involving established principles of faith and morality, and do not in any sense apply to Catholics waging a mortal combat with the declared enemies of the faith.

    There is no doubt that the Pope here makes no allusion to the incessant battles between Catholics and Liberals, for the simple reason that Catholicity is truth and Liberalism heresy, between which there can be no peace, but wear to the death. It is certain by consequence, therefore, that the Pope intends his counsels to apply to our family quarrels, unhappily much too frequent; and that by no means does he seek to forbid us from waging an unrelenting stiff with the eternal enemies of the Church, whose hands, filled with deadly weapons, are ever lifted against the faith and its defenders.

    Therefore there can be no contradiction between the doctrine we expound and that of the Briefs and Allocutions of the Holy Father on the subject, provided that logically both apply to the same matter under the same respect, which holds perfectly in this instance. For how can we interpret the words of the Holy Father in any other way? It is a rule of sound exegesis that any passage in Holy Scripture should always be interpreted according to the letter, unless such meaning be in opposition to the context; we can only have recourse to a free or figurative interpretation, when this opposition is obvious. This rule applies also to the interpretation of pontifical documents. How can we suppose the Pope in contradiction with all Catholic tradition from Jesus Christ to our own times? Is it for a moment admissible that the style and method of most of the celebrated Catholic polemists and apologists from St. Paul to St Francis de Sales should be condemned by a stroke of the pen? Clearly not; for if we were to understand the Pope's counsels to moderation and calm, in the sense in which the Liberal conclusion would construe them, we should have to answer evidently yes. Consequently we must conclude that the Holy Father's words are not addressed to Catholics battling with the enemies of Catholicity, but only to Catholics controverting on free questions amongst themselves.

    Common sense itself shows this. Imagine a general in the midst of a raging battle issuing an order to his soldiers not to injure the enemy too severely! "Be careful! Don't hurt the enemy! Attention there! Don't aim at the heart!" What more be said! Pius IX has given us an an explanation of the proper meaning of his words. On a memorable occasion he calls the sectaries of the Commune demons, and worse than demons the sectaries of Liberalism. Who then need fear to thunderbolt such an enemy with epithets too harsh and severe? 

    In vain do the Liberals cite the words of Leo XIII in the Encyclical Cum Multa, exhorting Catholics to avoid violence in the discussion of the sacred rights of the Church, and to rely rather upon the weight of reason to gain victory; for the words have reference to polemics between Catholics discussing the best means to preserve their common cause, and by no means apply as a rule to govern polemics with the sectaries of Liberalism. The intrinsic evidence of the encyclical proves this beyond cavil. The Pope concludes by exhorting all associations and individual Catholics to a still closer and more intimate union, and, after pointing out the inestimable advantages of such a union, he instances, as the means of preserving it, that moderation of language and charity of which we are speaking. The argument is plain: the Pope recommends moderation and charity to Catholic writers, as a means of preserving peace and mutual union. Clearly this peace and union is between Catholics and not between Catholics and their enemies. Therefore the moderation and charity recommended by the Pope to Catholic writers applies only to Catholic polemics between Catholics on free questions. Would it not be absurd to imagine that there could be any union between truth and error, therefore between the advocates of truth on the one side and error on the other? Irreconcilable opposites never unite. One or the other must disappear. 

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    « Reply #46 on: February 12, 2018, 07:19:48 PM »
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  • (cont.)
     
    The authors and propagators of heretical doctrines are soldiers with poisoned weapons in their hands. Their arms are the book, (116) the journal, the lecture, their personal influence. Is it sufficient to dodge their blows? Not at all; the first thing necessary is to demolish the combatant himself. When he is hors de combat, he can do no more mischief.

    It is therefore perfectly proper not only to discredit any book, journal or discourse of the enemy, but it is also proper, in certain cases, to even discredit his person; for in warfare, beyond question, the principal element is the person engaged, as the gunner is the principal factor in an artillery fight and not the cannon, the powder and the bomb. It is thus lawful, in certain cases, to expose the infamy of a Liberal opponent, to bring his habits into contempt, and drag his name in the mire.

    Sardá y Salvany, Felix (1899). What is Liberalism? St. Louis: B. Herder, pp. iii–v.



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    « Reply #47 on: February 12, 2018, 07:41:45 PM »
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  • I intended to cite a smaller passage from El liberalismo es pecado, and hit "post" prematurely. Sorry for the length. 

    Is there a way to edit a post after it is visible on the forum?

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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #48 on: February 13, 2018, 01:27:51 AM »
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  • It is thus lawful, in certain cases, to expose the infamy of a Liberal opponent, to bring his habits into contempt, and drag his name in the mire.

    Sardá y Salvany, Felix (1899). What is Liberalism? St. Louis: B. Herder, pp. iii–v.
    The problem is, you've not unearthed much that's worthy of criticism.
    That his dishwasher is broken, his wife's t-shirt could use a few more inches on the sleeve, and he wants to start a catering business are not exactly "habits" which are going to turn people against his heretical points of view.
    Consider your audience. His website speaks for itself.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #49 on: February 13, 2018, 07:49:36 AM »
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  • http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=301

    9. Maidens and women dressed immodestly are to be debarred from Holy Communion and from acting as sponsors at the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation; further, if the offense be extreme, they may even be forbidden to enter the church.
    Her shirt sleeve is a little too short, so make fun of her cooking and mock her home? You are not going to find a document to support that kind of un-Christian behavior. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27


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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 09:06:27 AM »
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  • And people also need to stop with this ridiculous binary mentality regarding modesty of dress.  You howl as if a slightly-too-short sleeve is the same thing as walking into a church in a bikini.  As with most moral issues, there are degrees of gravity ... and this should barely register on any normal Catholic's moral compass.  Why, does seeing an extra inch of skin on the arm pose a mortal danger to your soul?  If so, you've got bigger problems and need to address those first before attacking this lady.  Take the enormous beam out of our own eye before going after attacking her for this tiny splinter.  Does that language ring a bell for you?

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    « Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 09:07:54 AM »
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  • Her shirt sleeve is a little too short, so make fun of her cooking and mock her home? You are not going to find a document to support that kind of un-Christian behavior.

    I live in a very run down tiny little home myself ... but it's all I can do given that we welcomed all the children God gave us and have been stretched financially.  And my children have taken a toll on the place as well.

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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 09:09:02 AM »
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  • This clown clearly has a personal grudge against this family.


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    « Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 09:38:50 AM »
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  • You write: "... so make fun of her cooking and mock her home?"

    Most certainly.

    Let us pray for their children, in such a diseased environment.



    I'm afraid that you're more in need of prayers than they are.

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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 10:06:12 AM »
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  • I live in a very run down tiny little home myself ... but it's all I can do given that we welcomed all the children God gave us and have been stretched financially.  And my children have taken a toll on the place as well.

    Every Catholic marriage is open to children. What's the point on typing that? Please reply.

    You seem to be perhaps, the most prolific writer in CI's history. How do you find the time? Amazing!

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  • Every Catholic marriage is open to children. What's the point on typing that? Please reply.

    You seem to be perhaps, the most prolific writer in CI's history. How do you find the time? Amazing!

    By welcoming all children, I was referring obliquely to not using NFP.  Some Catholics use NFP and think there's nothing wrong with it.


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    « Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 05:21:26 AM »
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  • I'd like to know who the person was who started this thread, because it is just sick hypocritical garbage!  

    It is scandalous how much of this is in chapels too.  If anyone has an issue with "Modernism" or "Modesty" in this thread, it is the person who started this thread and their fellow attackers.  Modernism has no problem with hatred, libel and cruelty, because it lacks Charity, Love and Honesty.  Modesty is about far more than personal dress.  It is about how you conduct yourself as well and this thread shows a lack of Respect For Privacy as well as a lack of Dignity and Reserve.  Talk about "letting it all hang out."  I don't know what could be more IMMODEST than that!   

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    « Reply #57 on: February 14, 2018, 07:34:58 AM »
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  • Judging? It's based on the raw data calculated by CI. He has posted 12,671 times on this forum.

    That would require an amazing expenditure of time from anyone's daily schedule. 

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    « Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 07:38:22 AM »
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  • Every Catholic marriage is open to children. What's the point on typing that? Please reply.

    You seem to be perhaps, the most prolific writer in CI's history. How do you find the time? Amazing!
    You fail to notice that he's been a member since 2010. That's almost 8 years ago.
    There are members going back even further than that, too. CI goes back to 2006.
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    Re: Former St. Mary's SSPX Family Asks for Your $ to Leave Daily Duty
    « Reply #59 on: February 14, 2018, 07:50:23 AM »
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    Now we are not asking for donations/charity for the site but for our family. For a family that is making a gigantic effort to escape the daily routine drawn out by the world which involves a father being away from home and not involved with his wife and children.


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    This poisonous Morbeto, is into the Richard Ibranyi [who admits he is of Jewish descent] thing, of excommunicating popes. Morbeto cautions his readers to avoid the writings of the Holy Fathers' Pope Leo XIII and Pope St. Pius X etc. And as I recall, says he is in the process of "cleansing" his websites of their writings (i.e., papal encyclicals, allocutions...).

    I should have chimed in a long time ago...

    At first, I was inclined to jump on the bandwagon, because this man is worse than a dogmatic home-aloner. He's also a schismatic heretic! So he is to be vigorously opposed, like Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer.

    ...but just like our opposition to the Boston, KY cult, we need to keep this about doctrine and behavior, and not about the man himself. I would delete any comments talking about Fr. Pfeiffer's weight, personal habits, facial features, etc. because now you're attacking him as a human being.

    No, with individuals preaching division, sowing errors, slandering countless priests and bishops, etc. we need to oppose their ACTIONS and BEHAVIOR -- attack their platform of error, as it were. Attack the publicly-known disorders, sins, and errors being promoted by the man (or men) in question.

    There is no need to scrutinize his wife, his wife's IQ/education, relatives, or even his home. Every human being needs a home, and not everyone can afford a brand-new 4,000 square foot home (myself included!)

    I understand why people jumped on him a bit -- I was inclined to as well, because of the above mentioned reason (he's a schismatic heretical home-aloner) but also because I'm sick of everyone and their sister being after my money (as if I have so much extra laying around! hahaha) and this man basically said that those who go to work full-time are compromising (in a shameful, bad way) with The Modern World.


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    For a family that is making a gigantic effort to escape the daily routine drawn out by the world which involves a father being away from home and not involved with his wife and children.

    That's not exactly going to evoke sympathy from all the Trad Catholic men out there who have to work full time. I assure you that NONE OF US enjoy it or prefer it. Of course we'd all like to stay home with our wife and family every day. Who wouldn't? So he's basically saying that we full-time employed are not involved with our wife and children, and that such is a shameful compromise with the modern world.

    So while it's true that my wife (MaterDominici) made some good points, I'd have to say she went a bit too far, or was too nice: Adam Morbeto is not just your average trad or blogger hoping to make a side income or ask for donations. He's A) inimical to all of us Trads; he thinks we need conversion, etc. and B) he insults most Trad men who have jobs. Talk about chutzpah! That is not the way to get men to open their wallets to give you a handout. In other words, he insulted us. And when you insult someone, the more emotional are going to react and perhaps cross the line. Sure, that's their fault, but you also can't say the man who insulted him gets off "scot-free". If someone insults me or my wife and I punch him in the face, sure I'm guilty of assault, but the other man is guilty as well of "provoking to anger".

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