Author Topic: For SSPX Priests - SSPX $ Charity (Read 2142 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** February 12, 2018, 10:09:26 AM »

SSPX $ Charity

Charity to the world means giving money or time to a cause which someone considers important. That type of charity is morally indifferent, it can mean giving money to kill infants or to feed poor infants in Africa.

Yesterday, our SSPX pastor talked about charity in the Catholic sense, which is in short:

“Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” (Mat 22:37-39)

Then like every Sunday he morphed it into the subject that he raises every week, asking for money. He went on and on about giving time and money to all the projects this small parish is subjected to. This thread is to give advice to other SSPX priests so they do not make the same mistake (Our this pastor is a hopeless case, he has been using the same method of operation for decades without learning anything from his mistakes).

Here is my brief advice to other SSPX priests with eyes to see and ears to hear:

Parishioners have a set amount of money and time that they can donate to the chapel. This amount cannot be increased by asking for an endless number of causes. If someone has allotted three marbles for donations, and the priest has 3 slots, the three marbles will be placed in the 3 slots. If the priest creates 30 slots, the three marbles will go to 3 slots or be cracked into chips and the remains of the three marbles will be spread to the 30 slots. This is a fact that can’t be changed. Learn that fact and limit your causes to the reality of your situation and limit your causes to those that are important and vital.

Examples:

Do not use your parishioners charitable time to do things you could do for yourselves. If you do this, you will not have them when you really need them.

Think, before you ask for anything, think this: Am I like chicken little always saying the sky is falling and will I end up having no one listen to me when I really need them for an important cause?

Go to your parishioners homes and see how they live. We traditionalist parents live a life of sacrifice for our big families. Do not expect us to do your work for you, we do not have the time nor the inclination to help someone who does not want to take care of themselves. In the USA, men are expected to be self-sufficient, and if they are not, they are considered vagabonds by other men.

In other words; if you want to clear a field, cut down trees, and move stones in order to plant a vegetable garden, because of your own personal whims, do it yourself. A vegetable garden has nothing to do with the salvation of souls. THINK!

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2018, 11:31:19 AM »

Everyone is obliged to give according to their means.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2018, 12:56:34 PM »

Do you ever post anything relevant Poche? Everyone is obliged to give to any whim that passes the priests mind? If the priest wants to drive a Rolls Royce would you donate the money? Engage your mind before you type.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:03:11 PM »

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Go to your parishioners homes and see how they live.

LOL, our prior only goes to the houses of the rich. He once had an open house to show how the priest lived, in order to get like $600,000 to make additions to their home. The parishioners all said to themselves, they live better than we do. Who has the money to make a $600,000 addition to their home? Who has a $600,000 home (remember it is a building only, excluding land values)!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:19:51 PM »

My old priest (R.I.P) was thrown out of the Novus Ordo in the 1970's for not giving communion in the hand. He bought a shack and some land and built himself a home and a farming business. He was re-hired after 10 years and he ran a parish in a bad neighborhood that nobody wanted (that is why they likely hired him). He catechized the congregation so well that even well to do people from all over the county drove long distances to send their children to him and go to his mass. He did all of that while still running his farming business, actually still making his living from his own business. His church was so successful, that the Novus Ordo bishop fired him and replaced him with a lackey that chased everyone away. My priest was re-assigned to take care of people in an old folks home. He continued to live from his work on his farm till the day he died.

Compare that to the priests of the SSPX, who can't even wash their own underwear.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:22:58 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 12, 2018, 01:03:11 PM

LOL, our prior only goes to the houses of the rich. He once had an open house to show how the priest lived, in order to get like $600,000 to make additions to their home. The parishioners all said to themselves, they live better than we do. Who has the money to make a $600,000 addition to their home? Who has a $600,000 home (remember it is a building only, excluding land values)!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2018, 06:57:50 PM »

My father used to give what I consider a big sum -though it may not be to others- every month to support the SSPX school, but what I've seen of what they have produced I say it has been an utter waste of money we could have done other things with. Maybe we could have gone on vacations like some of them did and still do, or have done other things that would have been constructive or resulted in quality time together for our family. Needless to say, I am very bitter against them.

That is the least I shall say.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:03:24 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 08:11:33 PM

That is the least you will say? :)
Don't worry about what others do with their money. Worry about your own soul, as your parents did. God sees the heart. Do not be bitter. God sees that, too.

Thank you for the reminder. I try to remember that bitterness only bring one more unhappiness, but it's also true that over the past year I've been kinda disposed towards envy, and that's definitely not a good thing. Please say a prayer for me.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2018, 11:17:04 AM »

Considering everything that they sacrifice to be priests, I don't begrudge them a comfortable life within reason. Good, holy priests don't take advantage of the faithful and seek to live lives of luxury at their expense.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2018, 11:58:37 AM »

Worse than that is the example of St. Peregine chapel in Cleveland. For several years, Fr. Libietis ran many fundraisers (some of them dubious), to raise money for the purpose of building a new chapel/church ... since they had to have Mass in a dumpy little gutted out house. Several hundred thousand dollars were raised. Guess what. They continue on in that dumpy little gutted out house. Where did the money go? Siphoned off no doubt for some central SSPX purpose (new seminary?). So those poor people were misled into raising funds and giving a lot of money themselves toward a new church ... only to have the bait-and-switch pulled on them. This is just plain wrong.

Oh, at one point, they created a very shady pseudo-charity called "Kids Against Cancer" ... to raise funds. People who gave to the cause were misled into thinking that were giving money to help children with cancer (based on the sound of it). Instead, the money was collected to run the school (pay the teachers very high salaries) and to fund the chapel. You could see in very fine print on their handouts that the kids (at school) prayed daily for cancer victims. So they collected the money to run the school and the kids said a couple minutes of prayers every day in school for cancer victims (St. Peregrine happens to be the patron saint of cancer victims). I had considered sending my kids to school there, but the tuition rates were very high (comparable to or even more than Novus Ordo schools) AND the students were expected to spend an hour or two every evening driving to different parts of the Cleveland metro area (including into bad neighborhoods) to beg for money for the school. I was asked to promote at work a Golf Outing to benefit "Kids Against Cancer" but refused to participate because of how misleading it was. At the end of the day, I just cut my ties with that place. Had this fraud of a charity been exposed for what it was in the media, there would have been PR hell to pay for the SSPX.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:09:12 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 11:17:04 AM

Considering everything that they sacrifice to be priests, I don't begrudge them a comfortable life within reason. Good, holy priests don't take advantage of the faithful and seek to live lives of luxury at their expense.

I do not begrudge them comforts with in reason. The problem is there are some with an sense of entitlement. We have seen it through the rotation of priests over the years in the SSPX. The laundry story or white glove test are all too common. The little old widow ladies, parish coordinators, and family that volunteer to clean or take tasks becomes an expected duty. I sympathize with the fellow that said his father gave a great deal of money to the SSPX school. The priests would wine and dine my parents (on my parents tab) looking for donations. They were not well off, but they gave generously. When the money ran out so did the attention. What always bothered me was the bait and switch. Ask for money for the most important thing of the year and then change plans and the money gets spend elsewhere.

Nadir · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2018, 02:29:29 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 15, 2018, 01:45:19 PM

Most priests take a vow of poverty.
A comfortable life is not poverty.

Most priests don't take a vow of poverty. It is only priests who belong to orders. SSPX is not an order.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2018, 02:06:21 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on February 14, 2018, 05:36:51 PM

We are to support our pastors (do any of us really have one? We don't. We don't have a parish, only a chapel.), schools (even though many of us homeschool), the pope (even though he does some pretty evil things), our bishops (which ones?), missions (I have to support mine and others?), religious institutions (are there any other than france?), religion in general (I assume Catholic religion. What is there left to support other than what is already stated?)
I just don't see how we can have these big families and financially support all those things which are independent from one another. These are very difficult times in which we live.
We do the best we can, donating 10% of our income to what we believe to be good Catholic groups/priests/etc.
God knows our hearts and intentions.

If you cannot financially afford to support your priests and churches then you can support them by your prayers.

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