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Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2021, 09:16:12 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2021, 01:32:01 PM
Well, that's the problem.  Martyrs are referred to in the Church Fathers as having been baptized in their own blood ... even if they're baptized Christians, so that expression is inconclusive.

Here's St. John Chrysostom on St. Lucian:
He's speaking here about the martyrdom of St. Lucian.  St. Lucian was a priest, already baptized.

This is that tradition where martyrs are cleansed of all sin by martyrdom and thus go straight to heaven without any Purgatory time, so they are said to receive a second baptism, a washing of their sins.
The St. Andrew Missal says that she was martyred as a catechumen, and that she was baptized by blood. It's quite clear. 
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2021, 09:17:15 PM »
Dang, I did it again! Forget to check the non-anonymous box for the above post. 
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2021, 11:18:09 PM »
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2021, 11:32:51 PM »
FWIW, this entire issue is a phenomenon limited pretty much exclusively to modern America.  Make of that what you will.
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2021, 11:59:26 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 08, 2021, 09:16:12 PM
The St. Andrew Missal says that she was martyred as a catechumen, and that she was baptized by blood. It's quite clear.
Well.....Catechumens were sometimes referred to as such even after Baptism. 
Pope St. Sylvester I, First Council of Nicaea, 325 A.D., Can. 2: “For a catechumen needs time and further probation after baptism...”
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