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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2021, 09:32:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 03, 2021, 03:08:51 PM
    The strange thing about sedes hating Feeneyites is that they claim to oppose the errors of Vatican II while championing the greatest of those errors.

    I believe that the sedevacantist contempt for Feeneyism dovetails with their exaggerated notion of infallibility, where they effectively hold that every single utterance of any pope is tantamount to an infallible and dogmatic definition ... for all intents and purposes.  So they give a lot more weight to the so-called Suprema Haec than it deserves.

    Unfortunately, BoD/BoB have become distractions, because that is not the core issue.  EENS is.  But BoD keeps resurfacing because the enemies of EENS insist upon using BoD as the weapon with which they constantly try to undermine it.  So one finds the overreaction of the Dimonds in declaring all forms (and articulations) of BoD to be heretical.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #46 on: May 03, 2021, 09:42:46 PM »
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    • Christ was crucified because He told the world that He and the Catholic Church are necessary for Salvation.  They brutally put Him to death for teaching there is no salvation in any other.  To hear people suggest there might be salvation without Christ, beyond the Church, without baptism, is not only deplorable, but denies the sufferings and death of Our Lord.  Wouldn't want to be anyone saying it.   
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #47 on: May 06, 2021, 01:08:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 03, 2021, 09:55:15 AM
    The Water Baptism folks see it the opposite way.

    BOD/BOB dilute Catholicism's mandate to promote the Faith.

    Because any jew, Hindu, protestant or muslim can gain entry to Everlasting Life, by merely wishing it.

    It's a fraud perpetuated to break down Catholic confidence and resolve.
    PAC (Perfect Act of Contrition) dilutes Catholicism's mandate to confess ones sins to a priest.
    Because any fornicator, idolater, adulterer, thief, or drunkard can gain entry to Everlasting life by merely wishing it.
    When will people see the true fraud of PAC?
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #48 on: May 06, 2021, 05:02:18 PM »
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    • Sedes or any other trad who oppose the true meaning of Baptism and EENS commit logical fallacy. What's the point of being sede or trad, if other souls of false religions and atheism can make it to Heaven simply because they "desire" Christ or they're "righteous souls" in their own false religions or non-religion?

    You're no different than the Novus Ordo. You are TRAD FORM with NEW RELIGION SUBSTANCE.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #49 on: May 06, 2021, 05:31:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 03, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
    This is either Meg or Johnson.

    I enjoy your conflation of the two, since most sedes are also the most anti-Feeneyite out there, which I can explain but don't feel like it now.
    Definitely Meg.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #50 on: May 06, 2021, 06:00:08 PM »
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    • BoD and Bob are teachings of the Church.   Once the Feeneyites accept those teachings there will not be any problem.  The Church cannot have two contradictory teachings.   
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #51 on: May 06, 2021, 06:22:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
    BoD and Bob are teachings of the Church.   Once the Feeneyites accept those teachings there will not be any problem.  The Church cannot have two contradictory teachings.  

    BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church.

    BoD was rejected by the vast majority of Church Fathers, and the Fathers who believed in BoB felt that it was actually the Sacrament taking place, and not a substitute or an exception.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #52 on: May 06, 2021, 06:26:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
    BoD and Bob are teachings of the Church.   Once the Feeneyites accept those teachings there will not be any problem.  The Church cannot have two contradictory teachings.  
    They are not Church teachings, the terms "baptism of blood/desire" have never been used, not even one time in any official Church docuмent ever. 
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #53 on: May 06, 2021, 06:41:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2021, 06:22:14 PM
    BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church.


    Allowed? The Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore".


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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #54 on: May 06, 2021, 06:55:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:26:19 PM
    They are not Church teachings, the terms "baptism of blood/desire" have never been used, not even one time in any official Church docuмent ever.
    The Council or Trent and Catechisms approved by the Pope.  
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #55 on: May 06, 2021, 07:17:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:41:47 PM

    Allowed? The Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore".

    Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #56 on: May 06, 2021, 07:51:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2021, 06:22:14 PM
    BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church.

    Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:41:47 PM

    Allowed? The Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore".

    Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2021, 07:17:45 PM
    Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire.

    Exactly. And that's why you're wrong, saying "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church." The truth is, the Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore". Now, since "Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire", the Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe Baptism of Desire. (the same is case for BoB).

    The sacrosanct Council of Trent has not only not allowed, but rather forbidden to teach, preach, or believe BoD or BoB.

    To sum it up: Your statement "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church." is wrong. The truth is: "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been forbidden by the Church."
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #57 on: May 06, 2021, 07:57:17 PM »
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    DECREE ON JUSTIFICATION
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    Whereas there is, at this time, not without the shipwreck of many souls, and grievous detriment to the unity of the Church, a certain erroneous doctrine disseminated touching Justification; the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent,[/b] lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost,–the most reverend lords, Giammaria del Monte, bishop of Palaestrina, and Marcellus of the title of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem, priest, cardinals of the holy Roman Church, and legates apostolic a latere, presiding therein, in the name of our most holy father and lord in Christ, Paul III., by the providence of God, Pope,-purposes, unto the praise and glory of Almighty God, the tranquillising of the Church, and the salvation of souls, to expound to all the faithful of Christ the true and sound doctrine touching the said Justification; which (doctrine) the sun of justice, Christ Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, taught, which the apostles transmitted, and which the Catholic Church, the Holy Ghost reminding her thereof, has always retained; most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared.

    The Confession of Faith of the Vatican Council made this teaching part of the Confession of the Catholic faith. So, it's a good idea, to read and chew every word of this intro and the whole decree.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #58 on: May 07, 2021, 04:19:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2021, 06:55:34 PM
    The Council or Trent and Catechisms approved by the Pope.  
    Nope, neither term is used in either Trent or it's catechism. On the contrary, both specifically teach that reception of the actual  sacrament itself is necessary for salvation.
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    Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
    « Reply #59 on: May 07, 2021, 04:40:27 AM »
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    • If the Church hasn’t allowed BoD, how do you explain the canonization of St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Alphonsus, both of whom taught BoD?
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