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Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2021, 04:38:32 AM »
You’re really helping to discredit the anti-BoD position with this nonsense.  Makes me wonder whether you’re a troll.
No one should have answered the coward that started this thread. There is no reason to post something like this as an anonymous. Besides, these anonymous threads can easily be used extended forever by one person posting strawmen to make himself look good.

Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2021, 04:50:37 AM »
You’re really helping to discredit the anti-BoD position with this nonsense.  Makes me wonder whether you’re a troll.
No one should have answered the coward that started this thread. There is no reason to post something like this as an αnσnymσus. Besides, these αnσnymσus threads can easily be used extended forever by one person posting strawmen to make himself look good.


Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2021, 07:36:25 AM »
You’re really helping to discredit the anti-BoD position with this nonsense.  Makes me wonder whether you’re a troll.


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DECREE ON JUSTIFICATION

Proem.

Whereas there is, at this time, not without the shipwreck of many souls, and grievous detriment to the unity of the Church, a certain erroneous doctrine disseminated touching Justification; the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent, lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost, –the most reverend lords, Giammaria del Monte, bishop of Palaestrina, and Marcellus of the title of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem, priest, cardinals of the holy Roman Church, and legates apostolic a latere, presiding therein, in the name of our most holy father and lord in Christ, Paul III., by the providence of God, Pope,– purposes, unto the praise and glory of Almighty God, the tranquillising of the Church, and the salvation of souls, to expound to all the faithful of Christ the true and sound doctrine touching the said Justification; which (doctrine) the sun of justice, Christ Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, taught, which the apostles transmitted, and which the Catholic Church, the Holy Ghost reminding her thereof, has always retained; most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared.

Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire.

It's most strictly forbidden to believe, preach, or teach Baptism of Desire, or Baptism of Blood.

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2021, 08:13:45 AM »
Definitely Meg.
Actually, it wasn't me this time. I don't know enough about BoD/BoB to really speculate. Though I do think that this forum is mostly for sedes and sedewhatevers. 
I do tend to lean toward BoB though. I was looking through my St. Andrew Daily Missal yesterday, reading about the various saints on their feast days, and I came across a saint who was a catechumen who was martyred before was baptized. This is from page 1072 in the St. Andrew missal:
        January 23
St. Emerentiana, Virgin and Martyr
      Red vestments
"A foster-sister of St. Agnes, the virgin Emerentiana, who while still a catechumen shed tears on the tomb of her friend who had just been martyred.  Some Pagans mocked at her grief.  She, full of the divine virtue of which Jesus is the source (Collect), reproached the idolaters with their cruelty towards Agnes, and they in their fury stoned her on that very tomb. Baptized in her own blood, she went to join for evermore her Spouse and her sister (about 304)."

Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2021, 08:41:37 AM »
 and I came across a saint who was a catechumen who was martyred before was baptized. This is from page 1072 in the St. Andrew missal:
        January 23
St. Emerentiana, Virgin and Martyr
      Red vestments
"A foster-sister of St. Agnes, the virgin Emerentiana, who while still a catechumen shed tears on the tomb of her friend who had just been martyred.  Some Pagans mocked at her grief.  She, full of the divine virtue of which Jesus is the source (Collect), reproached the idolaters with their cruelty towards Agnes, and they in their fury stoned her on that very tomb. Baptized in her own blood, she went to join for evermore her Spouse and her sister (about 304)."
She was canonized by her bishop (year unknown) before the end of the 11th century when the Church required that all beatification & canonization must have Holy See approval, and not be done solely by bishops.