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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2021, 07:17:45 PM »

Allowed? The Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore".

Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire.

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2021, 07:51:20 PM »
BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church.


Allowed? The Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore".

Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire.

Exactly. And that's why you're wrong, saying "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church." The truth is, the Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe anything else but what is written in "cuм hoc tempore". Now, since "Trent did not teach Baptism of Desire", the Church has solemnly forbidden to teach, preach, or believe Baptism of Desire. (the same is case for BoB).

The sacrosanct Council of Trent has not only not allowed, but rather forbidden to teach, preach, or believe BoD or BoB.

To sum it up: Your statement "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been allowed by the Church." is wrong. The truth is: "BoD and BoB are propositions of speculative theology that have been forbidden by the Church."


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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2021, 07:57:17 PM »
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DECREE ON JUSTIFICATION
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Whereas there is, at this time, not without the shipwreck of many souls, and grievous detriment to the unity of the Church, a certain erroneous doctrine disseminated touching Justification; the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent,[/b] lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost,–the most reverend lords, Giammaria del Monte, bishop of Palaestrina, and Marcellus of the title of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem, priest, cardinals of the holy Roman Church, and legates apostolic a latere, presiding therein, in the name of our most holy father and lord in Christ, Paul III., by the providence of God, Pope,-purposes, unto the praise and glory of Almighty God, the tranquillising of the Church, and the salvation of souls, to expound to all the faithful of Christ the true and sound doctrine touching the said Justification; which (doctrine) the sun of justice, Christ Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, taught, which the apostles transmitted, and which the Catholic Church, the Holy Ghost reminding her thereof, has always retained; most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared.

The Confession of Faith of the Vatican Council made this teaching part of the Confession of the Catholic faith. So, it's a good idea, to read and chew every word of this intro and the whole decree.

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2021, 04:19:38 AM »
The Council or Trent and Catechisms approved by the Pope.  
Nope, neither term is used in either Trent or it's catechism. On the contrary, both specifically teach that reception of the actual  sacrament itself is necessary for salvation.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2021, 04:40:27 AM »
If the Church hasn’t allowed BoD, how do you explain the canonization of St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Alphonsus, both of whom taught BoD?