Can’t we just agree that we need to pray for the conversion of all Feeneyites and sedes, and leave it at that?

This forum is a Feeneyite and sede forum. Because both groups are allowed when they are banned from the other forums, they come here and dominate.

This forum is a Feeneyite and sede forum. Because both groups are allowed when they are banned from the other forums, they come here and dominate.

This is either Meg or Johnson.

I enjoy your conflation of the two, since most sedes are also the most anti-Feeneyite out there, which I can explain but don't feel like it now.

Can’t we just agree that we need to pray for the conversion of all Feeneyites and sedes, and leave it at that?

For the Feeneyites, yes.

Not even in Novus Ordo textbooks have I read such a thing.

Even THEY say that there is such a thing as receiving sacraments unworthily and without any effect. They even give precisely this same example of the lifelong sinner who confesses on his deathbed, but since he never confessed in life when he was healthy, he didn't know how to do a good confession at the hour of death and consequently did not profit from the sacrament.

Go back to reading the catechism why don't you.

Oh wait, it's "heretical" and all you need is a Denzinger.

Ok, so we know now that you have no faith whatsoever in the sacrament. Fwiw, it is not up to any of us to decide whether he received the sacrament worthily or not, we who do not know what goes on behind closed doors cannot possibly know what his disposition was, all we can know is that he was a priest who was dying and that he received this sacrament, which as St. Thomas Aquinas says: "This Sacrament prepares a man for glory immediately, since it is given to those who are departing from this life in the body."

I supplied this link earlier - spend 4 minutes and read it and learn what this sacrament does, and fyi, it does this whether you believe it or not.

Neither group requires "conversion" ... that's the view of the dogmatists, and it's absurd.  Many in the Novus Ordo do not require conversion either, just a correction and enlightenment.

The sedes definitely need conversion. Sometimes I wonder if they are just a bunch of autists and also infiltrators looking to start confusion and leading good people away from the Church. Feeneyites are just Catholics.

Sometimes Feeneyites are allowed if they don't spread the error, and the priest determines they are honestly ignorant of Catholic teaching on BoD and BoB.

If that "priest" was a priest of Our Lord, having a mandate from a bishop with an apostolic mandate of Our Lord, and he determined that some of his sheep were honestly ignorant of some Catholic teaching, in short: if and he was a true priest, then he would remove the "honest ignorance" of his sheep and simply tell them about the said Catholic teaching.
If he doesn't, but rather tells you about their purported ignorance, then I, if I was in your place, would hurry up and run away from that laughable "priest", and repent to have it let happen to have met hin.

One of the Feeneyites at my chapel had a conversation with our last pastor and he said that the arguments he gave against Feeneyismm were not convincing so he remained convinced that Feeneyism was the truth.

Well then, how then can the pastor talk about "honest ignorance" of the Catholic Faith? Wasn't he able to indicate binding "anti-Feeneyite" teaching of the Church to that "Feeneyite".
Either your pastor was able to present proof to that "Feeneyite", then the ignorance couldn't be called "honest" anymore. Our he wasn't, then your pastor is at least dishonest.

The strange thing about sedes hating Feeneyites is that they claim to oppose the errors of Vatican II while championing the greatest of those errors. Sedevacantism would make a lot more sense if they rejected Pope Pius XII and went back a little farther. Then they could also reject the 55 Holy Week and NFP.

It makes me cringe whenever I see the image of Pope Pius XII on Novus Ordo Watch's twitter account.