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Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #140 on: May 10, 2021, 05:28:23 AM »
Go figure.......

"I have said that a Baptism-of-Desire Catholic is not a member of the Church. He cannot be prayed for after death as one of "the faithful departed."

Were he to be revivified immediately after death – were he to come to life again – he would not be allowed to receive Holy Eucharist or any of the other Sacraments until he was baptized by water.

Now, if he can get into the Church Triumphant without Baptism of Water, it is strange that he cannot get into the Church Militant without it. It is an odd procedure for priests of the Church Militant to be shunting people off to the Church Triumphant before these people have enrolled in the a Church Militant, which fights the good fight and preserves the Faith". - Fr. Feeney, Bread of Life
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #141 on: May 10, 2021, 10:41:03 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2021, 05:28:23 AM
Go figure.......

"I have said that a Baptism-of-Desire Catholic is not a member of the Church. He cannot be prayed for after death as one of "the faithful departed."

Were he to be revivified immediately after death – were he to come to life again – he would not be allowed to receive Holy Eucharist or any of the other Sacraments until he was baptized by water.

Now, if he can get into the Church Triumphant without Baptism of Water, it is strange that he cannot get into the Church Militant without it. It is an odd procedure for priests of the Church Militant to be shunting people off to the Church Triumphant before these people have enrolled in the a Church Militant, which fights the good fight and preserves the Faith". - Fr. Feeney, Bread of Life
The insistence that baptism of desire can provide salvation is a vicious attack on baptism.  Baptism by faith alone is protestantesque empty promise. This is proven above.  Shame on promoters pushing an ineffective means to salvation that defies the Word of God.  Q. Why baptism of desire?  A. So that fewer will be baptized through false confidence.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #142 on: May 10, 2021, 11:39:07 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2021, 05:15:14 AM
Ladislaus, I go with St. Robert. In the patristic age, it was not yet settled ...

Being "not yet settled" is an understatement.  It simply didn't exist apart from some admitted speculation, whereas 5-6 Church Fathers rejected it.  If anything there's a Patristic Tradition against the notion, as both Rahner and Fr. Jurgens (the Patristic scholar) both concede.
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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #143 on: May 10, 2021, 11:43:49 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
The insistence that baptism of desire can provide salvation is a vicious attack on baptism.  Baptism by faith alone is protestantesque empty promise. This is proven above.  Shame on promoters pushing an ineffective means to salvation that defies the Word of God.  Q. Why baptism of desire?  A. So that fewer will be baptized through false confidence.

My position is that there can be a baptism of desire, loosely speaking, that can justify, but which does not suffice for salvation.  I found lots of Patristic evidence which suggests that the Fathers believed that, while martyrdom and desire/intent/will ("piety and zeal" as St. Ambrose calls it) can "wash", i.e. remit sin, but that they cannot crown or give "glory" (i.e. allow the reception of the beatific vision and therefore salvation).  I find this to be the most consistent position to address all the issues on every side and it matches what the Fathers wrote about.

https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/patristic-support-for-ladilausian-soteriology
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Feeneyites Are Everywhere!
« Reply #144 on: May 10, 2021, 12:18:41 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on May 09, 2021, 10:21:25 PM
In the U.S. of A. they say Feeneyism (Feeney was simple Priest and Jesuit). Elsewhere it's just called Catholicism to believe that the sacrament of baptism is necessary for salvation.
The only person in the entire world that had to be dealt with was Feeney, an American -- and he wasn't being praised, but censured.
Feeneyites are a complete waste of time.  The colossal nature of their pride is only challenged by their ignorance and ability to see reality as a whole from a healthy, proper perspective.  Leave them to God.
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