Author Topic: Fed up with traditional Catholicism (Read 4731 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 20, 2016, 02:31:27 PM »

Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:46:42 PM »

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Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

Welcome to the messy, real world. There will NEVER be an ideal time, an ideal place, and ideal group. I understand your sentiments - I really do but men are not angels. They have this thing within their nature - the effects of original sin which spills out into pettiness, pride, ignorance, and outright chaos.

We could see this chaos in the beginning of the history of the Church.

Strive for clarity of mind and perfection of life. There is not much we can do.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:52:59 PM »

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Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

Take comfort in the fact that you are wrong.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:57:46 PM »

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:58:25 PM »

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2016, 04:40:09 PM »

Focus your heart and mind on Christ, His Mother, and the Saints. Yes, all trads. are always nasty. God puts up with all of us all of the time. We need only deal with some of them some of the time. Live peaceably with all men in as much as God enables. Shepherdless sheep run amok and are bound to bump into each other.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2016, 05:58:41 PM »

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Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

I acknowledge your sentiments and agree with some. I quit trying to attach myself to labels. No R&R, sedevacantist, Indult, whatever. Just Catholic to the best of his ability.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2016, 06:15:46 PM »

One thing I can give credit to NewChurch is there aren't "teams" and cliques like in tradition. Trads can be haughty and full of themselves. I'm not a home aloner but I don't have any friends.

Trads are like Brahmins.

Croixalist · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2016, 07:07:39 PM »

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One thing I can give credit to NewChurch is there aren't "teams" and cliques like in tradition.

If there are no teams then why all the sports jerseys at Mass?

This reminds me that at every stage of life we tend to idealize the next one. At least I did. Kids look up to the slightly older kids, preteens look up to teens, teens to young adults, etc. Each time it's a process of learning how to manage lowered expectations once you get there.

I remember being in awe of the outward piety of Latin Mass goers (still am for the most part), and feeling more than a little intimidated trying not to embarrass myself as I fumbled through the Mass. Then upon closer inspection, there were all these little separate groups that carved out their niches in the Church basement. Very strong personalities, especially the guys. All ages! But that's just it: to get where the Latin Mass is, you have to be made of sterner stuff. The Novus Ordo crowd is nearly identical to a typical scene at a local mall... it even ends like a checkout line at a cash register. Look no further for your Zombie apocalypse! It's like the difference between a casual hobby forum of some sort and this one. It can be incredibly intense, but you stand to learn a lot more in less time.

To the OP: take a few minutes and walk it off. If at the very least you can find a few good solid friends who share most of your traditional views, that will help you get past the days where nothing is falling into place and all the nice feelings dry up. If not, just remember that it's par for the course in an age where a recognized Pope is doing everything he can to kill the Church he's been charged to lead and protect. It's the Crisis man, hang in there and do the best you can where you are!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2016, 07:33:52 PM »

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Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

Being a traditional Catholic is a constant battle, my friend!

Our Lord said, "Strike the Shepherd and the sheep shall scatter." The devil uses this crisis in the church to make us all turn against one another. Hardly anyone trusts anyone, and there is so much bitterness throughout the various traditional circles.

Yet, there are good virtuous people scattered here and there not in one particular traditional group, but in all of them put together. I have found that the best traditional Catholics are they who do not stick only to one group, but to the whole of traditional Catholicism. There are many petty little arguments radical traditional Catholics make, yet the true and devout traditional Catholics do not seek out their differences.

Only when the day comes when the True Hierarchy is restored, then shall we all be united again. Pray for that day to come sooner rather than later, and encourage everyone around you to do the same!

You are not alone in your desire for a better and more solid Catholic society and world!

Keep fighting and may God bless you!

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2016, 08:08:25 PM »

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One thing I can give credit to NewChurch is there aren't "teams" and cliques like in tradition. Trads can be haughty and full of themselves. I'm not a home aloner but I don't have any friends.

Trads are like Brahmins.

I'll take teams and cliques over queers and Jєωs. Apostates and heretics. Pedos and drones.

TKGS · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2016, 08:29:59 PM »

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One thing I can give credit to NewChurch is there aren't "teams" and cliques like in tradition.

No teams and cliques? Then why do they have so many different themed Masses?

Clown Masses, Children's Masses, Farmer's Masses, Circus Masses, gαy Pride Masses, Polka Masses, etc., etc., etc.

The Novus Ordo is replete with teams and cliques.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2016, 08:33:56 PM »

You are in need of Hope. Do not despair. Read Chapter 12 of Daniel. Also Our Lady will be our Peace. Like St. Paul, he went through the "wringer" and was still at Peace.

Rosary, another good read, " The Glories of Mary". Or how about a priest that was in Russian prison for 20 years. Fr. Arseny. He relates how so many in prison were facing despair. How they got through it? Our Lady

Alexandria · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:11:48 AM »

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Today I feel fed up with traditional Catholicism. If this is truly a work of God and of the remnant, why is there such vicious division among the different groups and cultish personalities? Unity is one of the marks of the True Church but it seems the Traditional Catholic movement is going to the wrong way. Everyone has a different opinion and instead of cooperating with each other against Modernism, what I see is that we form enmities and rivalries among us.

Where to go? Of course the Novus Ordo Church is out of the question because it is simply other religion. But I am fed up with the viciousness, controversies, and plain meanness among the diverse traditional Catholic groups. I see so much pride and narcissistic individuals, self - proclaimed priests who nobody sent, Pharisee attitudes, and plain Protestantism and spirit of rebellion and disobedience.

I think that nobody is right anymore within Traditional Catholicism. We may have started well but now are in a self-destructive slippery slope. I also recently concluded that the SSPX position is probably the most schismatic one of all. Rome is not converting any time soon and it seems just all a nightmare.

Anyway, just wanted to share some thoughts of the day.

I understand completely what you are going through. If you ever want to discuss it, please feel free to pm me.

Alexandria · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:15:54 AM »

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One thing I can give credit to NewChurch is there aren't "teams" and cliques like in tradition. Trads can be haughty and full of themselves. I'm not a home aloner but I don't have any friends.

Trads are like Brahmins.

You are very wrong. There are plenty of "teams" and "cliques" in the novus ordo. They are just as bad, if not worse. And they are just as uncharitable. Many in the novus ordo are all talk and no action. They talk mercy, mercy, mercy - the poor, the poor, the poor - and then proceed to trip over the truly in need person next to them in the pew to help someone thousands of miles away.

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