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Father Portugal
« on: July 06, 2017, 09:46:02 PM »
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  • Hello Everyone,

    I just moved to a new parish and the priest is Father Portugal.  He seemed legit, but I just wanted to see if anyone had any extra information where he stands with tradition/resistance/everything else.

    Thank you for your help,

    Concerned Parent


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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 04:27:53 PM »
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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #2 on: July 09, 2017, 05:52:15 PM »
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  • Hello Everyone,

    I just moved to a new parish and the priest is Father Portugal.  He seemed legit, but I just wanted to see if anyone had any extra information where he stands with tradition/resistance/everything else.

    Thank you for your help,

    Concerned Parent


    He is a die-hard anti-Resistance, if not a flaming accordista.

    He caused a lot of trouble in Louisiana a few years ago, which helped to create a flourishing Resistance there. That should give you some idea.

    Fr. Portugal was so zealous in his persecution of the Resistance, and was causing such trouble for the SSPX in that region, that his Prior (Fr. Zendejas) had to rein him in and take him to task. After that, Fr. Portugal moderated his behavior and rhetoric somewhat.

    He was stationed in the Houston, TX priory for a few years. I don't know where he is now. But during those few years, a friend related to me something that Fr. Portugal said when he heard that I had been at a Mission Pilgrimage and he didn't know it. Fr. Portugal told that friend that he wanted to "kick my butt" and he wished he had known it was me while I was still there.

    The next year, at the Mission Pilgrimage in San Antonio, we were both there again and this time he knew it. Did he confront me? Did he say anything to me? Not at all. I was right up in the front, helping lead the Chant as usual, and he looked my direction many times. But never a word between us.

    In fact, such behavior seems to be a pattern with anti-Resistance types. They talk about you behind your back, call you names ("rebel", "disobedient", "bad Catholic", etc.) but when you're around, they don't say a thing.

    Not to get off topic, but the same thing happened at my old SSPX chapel in San Antonio. A small group of people wrote letters to Fr. Rostand complaining about me and my wife, they talked about us behind our backs, and hassled people who attended BOTH the SSPX chapel and the Resistance chapel (St. Dominic's). But when I'm around -- I, who can take apart their ridiculous arguments like a cheap watch -- they are cowardly and silent. Which figures, if you think about it.

    I see that pattern again and again. I just want to slap them and say, "Leave the intellectual little ones alone. Pick on someone your own size. How about you throw your ridiculous arguments at me and see what happens, eh?"

    But to get back to Fr. Portugal, I can say that he was formed under +Williamson exclusively (he was ordained in 2001), and so I'm disappointed at his current neo-SSPX, anti-Resistance leanings. He ought to know better.

    Fr. Bob at your local Novus Ordo parish is a flaming Modernist, but at least he wasn't formed at a Traditional seminary, and certainly not by Bp. Williamson! "To him who was given much, much shall be expected..." The Parable of the Ten Talents comes to mind.


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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 12:24:18 AM »
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  • Matthew,

    I can't say thank you enough.  Thank you for your response and the heads up.

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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 02:22:51 AM »
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  • I met him once. Not very friendly, seemed to look down on we peasants. However his Mass was wonderful, and very reverent. Also, his voice is loud and he enunciates, which makes it easier to follow.


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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 02:41:35 PM »
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  • He is a die-hard anti-Resistance, if not a flaming accordista.

    He caused a lot of trouble in Louisiana a few years ago, which helped to create a flourishing Resistance there. That should give you some idea.

    Fr. Portugal was so zealous in his persecution of the Resistance, and was causing such trouble for the SSPX in that region, that his Prior (Fr. Zendejas) had to rein him in and take him to task. After that, Fr. Portugal moderated his behavior and rhetoric somewhat.

    He was stationed in the Houston, TX priory for a few years. I don't know where he is now. But during those few years, a friend related to me something that Fr. Portugal said when he heard that I had been at a Mission Pilgrimage and he didn't know it. Fr. Portugal told that friend that he wanted to "kick my butt" and he wished he had known it was me while I was still there.

    The next year, at the Mission Pilgrimage in San Antonio, we were both there again and this time he knew it. Did he confront me? Did he say anything to me? Not at all. I was right up in the front, helping lead the Chant as usual, and he looked my direction many times. But never a word between us.

    In fact, such behavior seems to be a pattern with anti-Resistance types. They talk about you behind your back, call you names ("rebel", "disobedient", "bad Catholic", etc.) but when you're around, they don't say a thing.

    Not to get off topic, but the same thing happened at my old SSPX chapel in San Antonio. A small group of people wrote letters to Fr. Rostand complaining about me and my wife, they talked about us behind our backs, and hassled people who attended BOTH the SSPX chapel and the Resistance chapel (St. Dominic's). But when I'm around -- I, who can take apart their ridiculous arguments like a cheap watch -- they are cowardly and silent. Which figures, if you think about it.

    I see that pattern again and again. I just want to slap them and say, "Leave the intellectual little ones alone. Pick on someone your own size. How about you throw your ridiculous arguments at me and see what happens, eh?"

    But to get back to Fr. Portugal, I can say that he was formed under +Williamson exclusively (he was ordained in 2001), and so I'm disappointed at his current neo-SSPX, anti-Resistance leanings. He ought to know better.

    Fr. Bob at your local Novus Ordo parish is a flaming Modernist, but at least he wasn't formed at a Traditional seminary, and certainly not by Bp. Williamson! "To him who was given much, much shall be expected..." The Parable of the Ten Talents comes to mind.


    Matthew
    Sorry to affirm this is true.  Is he legit?  If OP means validly ordained, yes.  If Fr. Portugal or anyone in this chapel knows you support the Resistance or are or ever have been associated with it, get ready for a rough ride.  Go if you can remain relatively anonymous and uninvolved.  Come to Mass, and leave directly after your thanksgiving. That's hard to do if you have children.


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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 04:59:22 PM »
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  • It's not something I am too comfortable with saying but, everything in this thread is true, so far. I should also add that Fr. Portugal still has a childish side to him - And I liked that about him, I even egged him with a cascarone once! - and he can oversimplify things to a fault.

    • He sings well
    • He has an interesting use of words: "We'll be baked like squash!"
    • Over simplification
    • Seems very proud of his heritage and religion.
    • Not at all friendly to the Resistance
    • He always seems to have a "buzz cut," i.e. almost no hair...
    • Not everyone will think so, but I thought he was very funny. His sermons sometimes made me laugh, even though it seems he did not intend for the words to be amusing...

    P.S. I would be grateful if one could tell me what priory he's at so that I can send him a coconut. (It's an inside joke between us. Hopefully he remembers...)
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll

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    Re: Father Portugal
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  • P.S. I would be grateful if one could tell me what priory he's at so that I can send him a coconut. (It's an inside joke between us. Hopefully he remembers...)
    Does the coconut have anything to do with the back of his head?


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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 10:19:34 PM »
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  • Does the coconut have anything to do with the back of his head?
    Eh... no. I can only imagine that you are implying his head is like to that of a coconut or that it is to hit him with? Absolutely not! It is actually a reference to a term he used for my siblings and I. You are welcome to speculate what the coconut means and maybe another poster here might know and give the answer (probably he/she was called the same thing?). However, it would no longer be an "inside" joke if you were told plainly, right? Unless you have our sense of humor, most would probably take offence with it, and some might even start screaming "racist!!!" but, we make "racist" jokes all the time anyways. So, with all this you may now make an educated guess.

    Racist jokes are funny because they often are based on stereotypes, and if people don't want to be called stereotypical then they shouldn't do the things that are usual for their culture/"way of life". 

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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 10:20:41 PM »
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  • I forgot to check the box ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 10:55:15 PM »
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  • The Coconuts..yup :laugh2: :laugh1:
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    Re: Father Portugal
    « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 03:36:10 AM »
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  • Eh... no. I can only imagine that you are implying his head is like to that of a coconut or that it is to hit him with? Absolutely not! It is actually a reference to a term he used for my siblings and I. You are welcome to speculate what the coconut means and maybe another poster here might know and give the answer (probably he/she was called the same thing?). However, it would no longer be an "inside" joke if you were told plainly, right? Unless you have our sense of humor, most would probably take offence with it...
    Um, yes to the first guess. My nephew used to refer to heads as "coconuts."  Years ago when we had Fr. Portugal, he commented in the middle of Mass that he liked the back of Fr.'s coconut because it was brown and round!  Nick was about three years old.  Two weeks ago he graduated from college!
    Certainly not to your second guess!  You don't assault a priest, ever, like him or not.
    We probably would appreciate your sense of humor. In our part of the world, we get laughs out of insulting one another!

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    Re: Father Portugal
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  • Um, yes to the first guess. My nephew used to refer to heads as "coconuts."  Years ago when we had Fr. Portugal, he commented in the middle of Mass that he liked the back of Fr.'s coconut because it was brown and round!  Nick was about three years old.  Two weeks ago he graduated from college!
    Certainly not to your second guess!  You don't assault a priest, ever, like him or not.
    We probably would appreciate your sense of humor. In our part of the world, we get laughs out of insulting one another!
    In India coconuts, when speaking about people, are those who are brown on the outside but white on the inside.