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Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
What do you think about Father Gregory Hesse? I have recently been watching videos of him on the internet. He was not a member of the SSPX but he supported them in the videos I watched. Do you know anything about him?
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Pyrrhos on January 28, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
He was born in 1953 in Vienna, his uncle being a Prelate and Pastor of St. Rochus Church in the same city.
In 1976 he decided to become a priest and studied at the Angelicuм in Rome, taking doctoral degrees in theology and canon law.
In 1981 he was ordained in the new Rite of Ordination by Archbishop Aurelio Sabattani in St. Peter's Basilica. Soon, he solely celebrated in the Tridentine Rite himself.

Sometime later he was the secretary of the famous Cardinal Alfons Maria Stickler and worked in the Vatican Secret Archives.

In 1991, he left Rome and became independent. He was associated with "actio spes unica" of Fr. Milch who was the most outspoken German traditionalist until his murder in 1987. The latter organization was and is working together with the SSPX as was Fr. Hesse.
He died in 2006.


Fr. Gregorius Hesse was certainly a colourful, interesting, intelligent and humorous person. Personally, I find many of his opinions untenable and some of his comments downright offensive to pious ears. Still, I would love to find out where he got his ideas from - but I missed my chance.

I am sure most people on this forum have a much more positive view on him.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 28, 2014, 11:59:58 PM
I like him. I watch every video put out on him. To bad that he died
in January 2006, If he would have lived, he could have contributed a
whole lot more.  
Pope Francis may have retaliated by taking away his Monsignor hat.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: SoldierOfChrist on January 29, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
He's awesome.  He appeals to the intellectual types.  If you are the type who likes to turn over every stone and look at it from every angle, you will get something out of his talks.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 04:00:16 AM
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Pope Francis may have retaliated by taking away his Monsignor hat.


As far as I know, he never became a Monsignor. He said himself that he would be a Monsignor right now, becoming a Bishop etc. would he have stayed in Rome.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 06:23:07 AM
did he write any books?
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 08:43:24 AM
His explanations of the crisis were always really goofy.

For instance, he argued that the new rite of orders was valid because, being a schismatic rite, it did not have to reflect the form given in Mystici Corporis in order to be valid.

In other words, so long as you create a new sect for your sacraments, they can be valid.  You can change the words of the consecration to "this is my dog, this is my cat" as long as you create a new religion first.  
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 10:09:53 AM
I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
I find him to be as I would find any other man. He has his speciality and he has his faults.
For the most part, I like him and appreciate his work.
He's Austrian, so he has an odd sense of humor as compared to Americans dry wit.
IIRC, he contributed to The Devil's Final Battle as well as writing several articles on papal infallibility and the problems with the language of the Vatican II docuмents being misleading. Because he was a canon lawyer, he was able to explain how this language has been interpreted to the detriment of catholics worldwide, in an easily understood way. I found him very helpful in understanding the case for tradition and the Latin Mass.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 11:42:46 AM
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His explanations of the crisis were always really goofy.

For instance, he argued that the new rite of orders was valid because, being a schismatic rite, it did not have to reflect the form given in Mystici Corporis in order to be valid.

In other words, so long as you create a new sect for your sacraments, they can be valid.  You can change the words of the consecration to "this is my dog, this is my cat" as long as you create a new religion first.  


What's "goofy" is your apparent ignorance of what constitutes proper matter in a Sacrament.

Do you agree, as the Church has always held, that the Sacraments of the Eastern Schismatics are valid, despite sometimes very different formulations?

Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 11:46:54 AM
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His explanations of the crisis were always really goofy.

For instance, he argued that the new rite of orders was valid because, being a schismatic rite, it did not have to reflect the form given in Mystici Corporis in order to be valid.

In other words, so long as you create a new sect for your sacraments, they can be valid.  You can change the words of the consecration to "this is my dog, this is my cat" as long as you create a new religion first.  


What's "goofy" is your apparent ignorance of what constitutes proper matter in a Sacrament.

Do you agree, as the Church has always held, that the Sacraments of the Eastern Schismatics are valid, despite sometimes very different formulations?



Yes, but only in the case where proper matter and form were still present. The problem with the NREC is a defect of form, which can't be glossed over by saying its schismatic.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 11:49:56 AM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
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His explanations of the crisis were always really goofy.

For instance, he argued that the new rite of orders was valid because, being a schismatic rite, it did not have to reflect the form given in Mystici Corporis in order to be valid.

In other words, so long as you create a new sect for your sacraments, they can be valid.  You can change the words of the consecration to "this is my dog, this is my cat" as long as you create a new religion first.  


What's "goofy" is your apparent ignorance of what constitutes proper matter in a Sacrament.

Do you agree, as the Church has always held, that the Sacraments of the Eastern Schismatics are valid, despite sometimes very different formulations?



Yes, but only in the case where proper matter and form were still present. The problem with the NREC is a defect of form, which can't be glossed over by saying its schismatic.


Bread and Wine are proper matter. "This is my Body" and "This is the Chalice of my Blood" is proper form.

"This is my dog / This is my cat" is an asinine and impiously flippant hyperbole to dare to engage in on such a grave subject.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Mithrandylan on January 29, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
A sacrament requires valid form and matter n matter WHO is performing it. If one of these is absent, it doesn't become valid just because the rite is schismatic and not under the government of the Church. This was essentially Hesses argument. He did not address the ACTUAL defect in the rite.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
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Youtube:

Novus Ordo Sacraments are Valid - Fr. Gregory Hesse S.T.D. J.C.D


Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Having first learned of Canon Hesse less than a year ago, I was delighted by his clear, precise and entirely (and "perennially magisterial") presentations, finding them flawless as to text citations and exacting interpretation.

I have also been in recent communication with a close relative of his who assures me that his humor (a sign of both sanity and sanctity) was a true gift to all who knew him.

I hope the degrading and stupid comment by one poster (above) who made a scurrilous allegation about Canon Hesse will either be apologized for or, if possible, redacted.



Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.


I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.


I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.


Perhaps Fr Hesse found your Jesuit "friend's" request ridiculous on its face, as it implies there is something shameful about consuming wine in front of "young adults, families and elders," when there is nothing at all objectionable about consuming wine to any sensible Catholic not infected by Americanist Crypto-puritanism.

Forgive me if I don't trust a description of "overly indulgent" consumption of wine from someone who thinks consuming wine in front of young and old people is in itself scandalous as you and your "friend" obviously did. What makes you accuse Fr Hesse of overindulgence? Did he become visibly intoxicated? Were his rational faculties compromised? If not, keep quiet, and leave the Judgment of this (deceased and therefore defenseless) priest's interior disposition to God.

Fr Hesse favored clarity, honesty and a no-nonsense forthrightness and not mealy-mouthed pleasantries and social niceties. In other words, while one might gain a great deal of theological and canonical insight from him, one wasn't likely to become his "friend." So much the better, I say. We've all but drowned in a sea of mealy mouthed heretics in Roman collars who want to be our "friends," and not our pastors and instructors. Again, so much the better, but I'm not an egalitarian crypto-prod "United Statesian," as the inimitable PereJoseph might say.

And your Jesuit "friend" would do better to save his disgust for the rampant, nigh-ubiquitous heresy and apostasy in his own order, and not in a learned and orthodox priest enjoying a few spritzers to cheer his heart.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.


I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.


Perhaps Fr Hesse found your Jesuit "friend's" request ridiculous on its face, as it implies there is something shameful about consuming wine in front of "young adults, families and elders," when there is nothing at all objectionable about consuming wine to any sensible Catholic not infected by Americanist Crypto-puritanism.

Forgive me if I don't trust a description of "overly indulgent" consumption of wine from someone who thinks consuming wine in front of young and old people is in itself scandalous as you and your "friend" obviously did. What makes you accuse Fr Hesse of overindulgence? Did he become visibly intoxicated? Were his rational faculties compromised? If not, keep quiet, and leave the Judgment of this (deceased and therefore defenseless) priest's interior disposition to God.

Fr Hesse favored clarity, honesty and a no-nonsense forthrightness and not mealy-mouthed pleasantries and social niceties. In other words, while one might gain a great deal of theological and canonical insight from him, one wasn't likely to become his "friend." So much the better, I say. We've all but drowned in a sea of mealy mouthed heretics in Roman collars who want to be our "friends," and not our pastors and instructors. Again, so much the better, but I'm not an egalitarian crypto-prod "United Statesian," as the inimitable PereJoseph might say.

And your Jesuit "friend" would do better to save his disgust for the rampant, nigh-ubiquitous heresy and apostasy in his own order, and not in a learned and orthodox priest enjoying a few spritzers to cheer his heart.


The original post asked a simple question, and I provided my opinion.  I am not here to sell my opinion, I am not discounting his abilities; What he did to my friend was rude and very ill-timed at the closing of my friends very hard life as a Catholic Priest.  I miss my friend sorely, and it still disturbs me what Canon Hesse did to him.  I am sorry that I voiced my opinion about it.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: parentsfortruth on January 29, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 30, 2014, 12:13:20 AM
I am sooo THANKFUL to God for Canon Hesse!

I have been strengthened and affirmed in my faith because of his clear and unequivocal defense of Tradition.
His defense of Tradition has given me greater conviction and determination to forever turn away from the Conciliar Church.
Because of him I now am able to not only defend the position of Tradition, but attack those who campaign to draw souls away from it.
He is truly missed.

 :incense:  :pray: :incense:  :pray: :incense:  :pray:

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Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Ecclesia Militans on January 30, 2014, 06:57:16 AM
May his soul rest in peace.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: BTNYC on January 30, 2014, 08:12:28 AM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.


I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.


Perhaps Fr Hesse found your Jesuit "friend's" request ridiculous on its face, as it implies there is something shameful about consuming wine in front of "young adults, families and elders," when there is nothing at all objectionable about consuming wine to any sensible Catholic not infected by Americanist Crypto-puritanism.

Forgive me if I don't trust a description of "overly indulgent" consumption of wine from someone who thinks consuming wine in front of young and old people is in itself scandalous as you and your "friend" obviously did. What makes you accuse Fr Hesse of overindulgence? Did he become visibly intoxicated? Were his rational faculties compromised? If not, keep quiet, and leave the Judgment of this (deceased and therefore defenseless) priest's interior disposition to God.

Fr Hesse favored clarity, honesty and a no-nonsense forthrightness and not mealy-mouthed pleasantries and social niceties. In other words, while one might gain a great deal of theological and canonical insight from him, one wasn't likely to become his "friend." So much the better, I say. We've all but drowned in a sea of mealy mouthed heretics in Roman collars who want to be our "friends," and not our pastors and instructors. Again, so much the better, but I'm not an egalitarian crypto-prod "United Statesian," as the inimitable PereJoseph might say.

And your Jesuit "friend" would do better to save his disgust for the rampant, nigh-ubiquitous heresy and apostasy in his own order, and not in a learned and orthodox priest enjoying a few spritzers to cheer his heart.


The original post asked a simple question, and I provided my opinion.  I am not here to sell my opinion, I am not discounting his abilities; What he did to my friend was rude and very ill-timed at the closing of my friends very hard life as a Catholic Priest.  I miss my friend sorely, and it still disturbs me what Canon Hesse did to him. I am sorry that I voiced my opinion about it.


I'm glad of that.

I was your disputator, by the way.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: soulguard on January 30, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
If you're intelligent you have vanity. If you're simple you have despair.
O is there any hope for us?
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 30, 2014, 11:29:16 AM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:


I apologize for voicing my opinion, I was mistaken to do so.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Ecclesia Militans on January 30, 2014, 04:10:22 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:


I apologize for voicing my opinion, I was mistaken to do so.

Yes, you were mistaken.  But you should not have that opinion.  Fr. Hesse was a Catholic warrior.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Graham on January 30, 2014, 05:17:31 PM
I have never listened to or read him before (the name only is familiar), but I'm listening to one of his lectures now ("Vatican 2 gave us a New Religion") and I find it excellent.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: fast777 on February 08, 2014, 08:58:20 PM
I think Fr Hesse is brilliant and it's a shame he is gone. drinking wine every day is suicidal when your a diabetic. His doctor should be shot.

I'll never know what he would think of Benedict and Bergolio....probably spinning in his grave....RIP Fr Hesse you are missed.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 09, 2014, 01:43:14 AM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:


I apologize for voicing my opinion, I was mistaken to do so.

Yes, you were mistaken.  But you should not have that opinion.  Fr. Hesse was a Catholic warrior.


The definition of opinion is:
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge

When you stated that Fr. Hesse was an alcoholic, you were not making a judgement, instead you were stating a fact.  
Just because the two words preceding your statement happened to be adjectives does not mean you were making a judgement call.

I only make an emphasis on this because I would hope that you refrain from  making further statements about Fr. Hesse being an alcoholic, it does not fall under the purview of an opinion, therefore it is not something you are free to give.

 The statement is detracting and calumnious.

 It is not only damaging to his good name, but also damaging to your soul.

I forgot to check the box, this is holysoulsacademy

Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 02, 2014, 08:11:51 PM
"Fr" Hesse is a Vatican II Novus Ordo "traditionalist" impostor.

He is an apologist for the conciliar "popes", going so far as to repeatedly publically lie for them to cover up their "public manifest heresy". Why not? He was trained and excelled at their phony institutions with all of their credentials. Of course he would defend them!!

Also, according to his definition in his defense of his and Patrick Perez' phony ordinations, every NO priest is valid. "Who says they are not?"

He is more dangerous than Francis, Benedict, and all the rest.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: SoldierOfChrist on July 02, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
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"Fr" Hesse is a Vatican II Novus Ordo "traditionalist" impostor.

He is an apologist for the conciliar "popes", going so far as to repeatedly publically lie for them to cover up their "public manifest heresy". Why not? He was trained and excelled at their phony institutions with all of their credentials. Of course he would defend them!!

Also, according to his definition in his defense of his and Patrick Perez' phony ordinations, every NO priest is valid. "Who says they are not?"

He is more dangerous than Francis, Benedict, and all the rest.


Who are you quoting when you say "public manifest heresy"?
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 02, 2014, 09:45:45 PM
I am quoting Hesse who states that the heresy must meet his criteria of public manifest heresy but he refuses to admit that Benedict, for example had already done this. For example Benedict's statement about the "counter-syllabus"
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 04, 2014, 12:37:59 PM
I doubt Father Hesse would have ever supported the resistance.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 04, 2014, 04:47:45 PM
I found canon hesse's videos to be very helpful.  I don't agree with him about the definite validity of the new rites, but I do agree with how he attributes schism to Rome and the new rites(which means they are not certainly invalid - or else some would be).  I think that he is a very important figure.  He should be considered and regarded as such by traditionalists.

FYI - he approached +Fellay at one point about a conditional ordination, but was coaxed by +Fellay to drop the point because +Fellay insisted that Hesse would have to have something like a positive or self convinced doubt about his ordination(which he said he did not - he simply wanted to tie up that possible loose end - the fact that many trads do not accept the new rites validity).  He talks about it in one of his videos(I think it was a two part series of real footage of him giving a conference on the new rites).  What that means is that for a brief period he had doubts about the new rite!  
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 04, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
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I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.


Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.


I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.


Please, tell your Jesuit friend to worry about his corrupt order of religious, instead of trying to stir up trouble when there is none.

Perhaps you are not aware, but a decent host places the comfort of his guests far above his own.  That is the Catholic way.
Title: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 04, 2014, 07:13:39 PM
His video was sent to prison and that was where I first watched it. This, of course, after much deliberations with the authorities. I think apart from the religious friction they were afraid it would cause, they didn't favor him drinking wine in the video.

I think his talks were great though, despite what the prison authorities thought.
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 26, 2017, 03:51:35 PM
I remember hearing Fr Hesse remark that the wine he was drinking was very good and had never given him a headache.  That made me very curious as to the vintage of red wine he enjoyed. Does anyone know what type of wine Fr Hesse favored?
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 26, 2017, 11:58:05 PM
Didn't matter, he drank his wine.  Does he say his mass in 30 minutes?  I remember him at Fr. Leblanc's, Our Lady of the Sun, many years ago.  I first attended OLS in 1996 and he came before 2006, I want to say.  
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 30, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
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I thought he was styled as a Canon - was he not ?
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Nooseph Polten on April 01, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.
He didn't support anything in the new rite as licit, only as valid under certain conditions. And if you think he was rude and condescending you REALLY need to develop thicker skin.
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Nooseph Polten on April 03, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
"Fr" Hesse is a Vatican II Novus Ordo "traditionalist" impostor.

He is an apologist for the conciliar "popes", going so far as to repeatedly publically lie for them to cover up their "public manifest heresy". Why not? He was trained and excelled at their phony institutions with all of their credentials. Of course he would defend them!!

Also, according to his definition in his defense of his and Patrick Perez' phony ordinations, every NO priest is valid. "Who says they are not?"

He is more dangerous than Francis, Benedict, and all the rest.
:facepalm: "More dangerous than Francis", because why? Because he held the conciliar popes to be valid popes? Fr. Hesse exposed all the errors/heresies of Vatican 2, and publicly told people not to attend the new mass because it is illicit and against divine law. He also criticized the FSSP and ICKSP for their official acceptance of Vatican2. And you say he is an impostor besause he was not a dogmatic sedevacantist like you? Tell me, o holy theologian of the predestined, is St. Vincent Ferrer in hell for following an antipope during the Great Western Schism?
Title: Re: Father Gregory Hesse
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 28, 2018, 05:15:49 AM
My sincere apologies for resurrecting such an old thread. However, having read the rather awful calumnies/detractions spoken against Fr. Gregory Hesse in this thread (and I do believe them to be calumnies), I feel myself obliged by the 8th conmabdment to repudiate these calumnies by stating my belief that Fr. Hesse was a great Priest and Canon Lawyer and has veen instrumental in convincing me of the serious problems of the Novus Ordo Mass. Fr. Hesse was a Priest and, therefore, a superior and hence to calumniate or detract against him is not a light matter as far as I understand.