Quote from: Guest

I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.

Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest

I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.

Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.

I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.

Perhaps Fr Hesse found your Jesuit "friend's" request ridiculous on its face, as it implies there is something shameful about consuming wine in front of "young adults, families and elders," when there is nothing at all objectionable about consuming wine to any sensible Catholic not infected by Americanist Crypto-puritanism.

Forgive me if I don't trust a description of "overly indulgent" consumption of wine from someone who thinks consuming wine in front of young and old people is in itself scandalous as you and your "friend" obviously did. What makes you accuse Fr Hesse of overindulgence? Did he become visibly intoxicated? Were his rational faculties compromised? If not, keep quiet, and leave the Judgment of this (deceased and therefore defenseless) priest's interior disposition to God.

Fr Hesse favored clarity, honesty and a no-nonsense forthrightness and not mealy-mouthed pleasantries and social niceties. In other words, while one might gain a great deal of theological and canonical insight from him, one wasn't likely to become his "friend." So much the better, I say. We've all but drowned in a sea of mealy mouthed heretics in Roman collars who want to be our "friends," and not our pastors and instructors. Again, so much the better, but I'm not an egalitarian crypto-prod "United Statesian," as the inimitable PereJoseph might say.

And your Jesuit "friend" would do better to save his disgust for the rampant, nigh-ubiquitous heresy and apostasy in his own order, and not in a learned and orthodox priest enjoying a few spritzers to cheer his heart.

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: Guest

I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.

Fr Hesse liked his wine. So what? Are you some kind of prod puritan?

He also didn't suffer fools gladly, which endeared him to me, but (apparently) not to you. Why? Does it wound your pride to have to admit that such a formidably learned theologian and canon lawyer might know more about these subjects than you?

To hell with these calumnies: Requiescat in Pace, Pater.

I have no issue with wine or alcohol (in moderation of course).  In my encounter with this man, he was a guest at a presentation with a mixed audience of high school student, young adults, families, and elders.  He was directly asked by the host, a Jesuit, not to drink wine during his presentation; Obstinately, he ignored his host's request, and from the front of the room, throughout the entire presentation, he consumed his wine in a manner that was overtly indulgent.  I was disgusted by the whole affair, as was my friend the Jesuit.

Perhaps Fr Hesse found your Jesuit "friend's" request ridiculous on its face, as it implies there is something shameful about consuming wine in front of "young adults, families and elders," when there is nothing at all objectionable about consuming wine to any sensible Catholic not infected by Americanist Crypto-puritanism.

Forgive me if I don't trust a description of "overly indulgent" consumption of wine from someone who thinks consuming wine in front of young and old people is in itself scandalous as you and your "friend" obviously did. What makes you accuse Fr Hesse of overindulgence? Did he become visibly intoxicated? Were his rational faculties compromised? If not, keep quiet, and leave the Judgment of this (deceased and therefore defenseless) priest's interior disposition to God.

Fr Hesse favored clarity, honesty and a no-nonsense forthrightness and not mealy-mouthed pleasantries and social niceties. In other words, while one might gain a great deal of theological and canonical insight from him, one wasn't likely to become his "friend." So much the better, I say. We've all but drowned in a sea of mealy mouthed heretics in Roman collars who want to be our "friends," and not our pastors and instructors. Again, so much the better, but I'm not an egalitarian crypto-prod "United Statesian," as the inimitable PereJoseph might say.

And your Jesuit "friend" would do better to save his disgust for the rampant, nigh-ubiquitous heresy and apostasy in his own order, and not in a learned and orthodox priest enjoying a few spritzers to cheer his heart.

The original post asked a simple question, and I provided my opinion.  I am not here to sell my opinion, I am not discounting his abilities; What he did to my friend was rude and very ill-timed at the closing of my friends very hard life as a Catholic Priest.  I miss my friend sorely, and it still disturbs me what Canon Hesse did to him. I am sorry that I voiced my opinion about it.

Quote from: Guest

I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.

What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:

Quote from: Guest

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: Guest

I didn't care for him at all, he was rude, condescending, and an alcoholic.  His public support for the new rite of Episcopal Consecration with regard to Stickler was nothing more than an egotistical exercise of an intellectual bully.

What a scurrilous remark. I knew Father Hesse very well, and he was absolutely NOT an alcoholic. He took the advice of his doctor to drink red wine -- a liter a day-- because of his heart problem. Might I remind you if you didn't know that he had a heart attack at age 36 because of diabetes?

In all the encounters I had with him, he was never drunk. It is not only stamping on his memory, but it's utterly absurd, and quite frankly, a libelous thing for you to say, anonymous coward.

I would also add that he told me himself, when we were out to dinner at a place called Saint Brendan's (which he said was the best place he'd eaten in my town, among many he'd visited) that his favorite beer was Oktoberfest.  :wink:

I apologize for voicing my opinion, I was mistaken to do so.

Yes, you were mistaken.  But you should not have that opinion.  Fr. Hesse was a Catholic warrior.