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Father Fewell
« on: June 04, 2024, 08:21:34 PM »
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  • The SSPX Charlotte chapel has been informed that there will be a priest staying in the area and offering Mass during the week. The name given is Father Fewell. A few of us have searched and could only find a priest by that name who is under a diocese in California. 
    Does anyone know of a traditional priest by that name?
    Thank you in advance!

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2024, 08:47:14 PM »
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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2024, 05:11:41 AM »
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  • Definitely appears to be an NO refugee / transplant.  Odds are very high that he’s not been conditionally ordained.  I would advise avoiding him until his validity can be confirmed.  I would just call and ask.  You could start discretely.  “Father, where are you from?”  Then ask “How long have you been a priest?” and “Which bishop(s) have you been under?” and finally “Which bishop ordained you?”  This indirect line of questioning is more likely to get information than if you just ask “Are you valid or not?” since it can disarm what might otherwise be a defensive posture.

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #3 on: June 05, 2024, 09:10:31 AM »
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  • Fr. Fewell is based out of St. Isidore's.  He's been there a year ow two. I do not believe he's been conditionally ordained. 

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2024, 09:26:56 AM »
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  • It has never been the policy of the SSPX, or was it a policy with +ABL, to always conditionally re-ordain a priest who goes to them from the conciliar church. Each case is investigated so as to determine whether or not a conditional ordination is necessary. Of course nowadays with the SSPX, they are probably not as careful about determining whether or not a priest's original ordination was valid, but the SSPX has never believed, even under +ABL, that NO ordinations are always invalid. 


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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #5 on: June 05, 2024, 10:00:35 AM »
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  • It has never been the policy of the SSPX, or was it a policy with +ABL, to always conditionally re-ordain a priest who goes to them from the conciliar church. Each case is investigated so as to determine whether or not a conditional ordination is necessary. Of course nowadays with the SSPX, they are probably not as careful about determining whether or not a priest's original ordination was valid, but the SSPX has never believed, even under +ABL, that NO ordinations are always invalid.

    False.  +Lefebvre provided and recommended conditional ordination as a matter or routine, with the rare exception of some recalcitrant like Mr. Stark.

    This "investigation" nonsense is absurd, since it's based on the claim that the New Rite is valid or invalid based on the intention of the bishop who's performing the ordination/consecration, and yet intention is a matter of the internal forum and cannot be "investigated".  It's just nonsense, and there was never any investigation in the SSPX through the death of Archbishop Lefebvre.  I know, since I was a seminarian in the late 1980s through his death, and knew and had direct conversations with Bishop Williamson and most of the priests in the SSPX at the time.  They did it routinely without any investigation and highly recommended it to every priest that came over from the NO, if for no other reason that to maintain peace in the consciences of the faithful.

    You're retrofitting the "investigation" nonsense that later developed in SSPX as they cozied up to Rome onto +Lefebvre.

    You don't have to believe they're "always invalid", only that they're postively doubtful.  That suffices, so this is a false dichotomy you're throwing out there.

    In fact, the neo-SSPX have refused to conditionally ordain some priests who had asked for it ... because they don't want to ruffle the feathers of the Modernists in Rome.

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #6 on: June 05, 2024, 10:30:52 AM »
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  • Yes, beyond a certain date the whole NO "investigation" is nonsense.  I would say that even if it was valid bishop, let us say Carol Wojytla, who was consecrated in Sept. of 1958, and even if the ordained priest had said, "Well, Bp. Wojytla used the old form," the priest should still, for the sake of the faithful, be conditionally ordained by a traditional bishop. 

    Fr. Wathen always said that the faithful have a right to know that they are receiving valid sacraments from the priests.   If a priest told me, "I was ordained in 1970 by Bp. Wojytla, but don't worry, he used to old rite."  I would have my doubts.  

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #7 on: June 05, 2024, 11:06:07 AM »
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/fr-calderon's-2014-study-on-the-new-rite-of-episcopal-consecration-in-english/

    In 2014, Fr. Calderon's conclusion of the validity of the rite, was this:


    ...As for the practical attitude to be taken with regard to the new Episcopal Consecrations, the one that the Society has maintained up to now seems to us to be justified:
    1. The very probable validity of the rite seems to us to make it morally acceptable to occasionally assist at the Mass (traditional rite) celebrated by a priest or a bishop ordained or consecrated in the new rite, and even to receive Communion therein; it seems to us acceptable, in case of necessity, to receive absolution from them; to treat them as priests and bishops and not as laymen in costume; it seems to us acceptable to allow them to celebrate in our own houses. For the shadows that hover over the validity of their priesthood are but shadows and in all these activities our responsibility is not engaged concerning their exercise of the priesthood. And the remote risk that one communion or one absolution may be invalid is not so serious.
    2. But the positive and objective defects from which this rite suffers, which prevent our having certainty of its validity, it seems to us - until there is a Roman judgement, for which many things would have to change - justify and make necessary the conditional reordination of priests ordained by New Bishops and, if necessary, the conditional reconsecration of these bishops. Such doubts cannot be tolerated at the very root of the Sacraments (33).
    Father Alvaro Calderon


    But to add to this discussion, Fr. Gregory Hesse (canon  +RIP), asked + Lefebvre if his ordination (1981) was OK...I think a real bishop used the new rite of ordination, and everything was done in Latin.  + Lefebvre said his ordination was valid...?? 
    Probably assessed that the Intention of the old bishop was correct:  To do what the Church does. 
    But my two cents worth is : In the new rite, there is no mention of offering the sacrifice of mass for the DEAD. Anyone who refuses to believe that constant teaching of the Church is condemned, according to the Council of TRENT.

    CANON III.--If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.

    Novus Ordo Rites are evil, since they generally, and I mean 95% !!! lack something of either the Matter, the Form, and the Million dolors question:  THE INTENTION  !!?





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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #8 on: June 05, 2024, 11:10:35 AM »
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  • False.  +Lefebvre provided and recommended conditional ordination as a matter or routine, with the rare exception of some recalcitrant like Mr. Stark.

    This "investigation" nonsense is absurd, since it's based on the claim that the New Rite is valid or invalid based on the intention of the bishop who's performing the ordination/consecration, and yet intention is a matter of the internal forum and cannot be "investigated".  It's just nonsense, and there was never any investigation in the SSPX through the death of Archbishop Lefebvre.  I know, since I was a seminarian in the late 1980s through his death, and knew and had direct conversations with Bishop Williamson and most of the priests in the SSPX at the time.  They did it routinely without any investigation and highly recommended it to every priest that came over from the NO, if for no other reason that to maintain peace in the consciences of the faithful.

    You're retrofitting the "investigation" nonsense that later developed in SSPX as they cozied up to Rome onto +Lefebvre.

    You don't have to believe they're "always invalid", only that they're postively doubtful.  That suffices, so this is a false dichotomy you're throwing out there.

    In fact, the neo-SSPX have refused to conditionally ordain some priests who had asked for it ... because they don't want to ruffle the feathers of the Modernists in Rome.

    As usual, you are providing an untrue sedevacantist revisionist history of Archbishop Lefebvre. You seem to feel the need to be dishonest about what +ABL really stood for, and hardly anyone here says anything about it. 

    It's unfortunate that this forum allows for such dishonesty. 

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #9 on: June 05, 2024, 11:53:03 AM »
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  • Fr. Fewell is based out of St. Isidore's.  He's been there a year ow two. I do not believe he's been conditionally ordained.
    This helps!
    I found this in the bulletin which is in line with his presence in the Carolinas, "Fr. Robinson and Fr. Fewel will be away on vacation from June 4-22"

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    Re: Father Fewel
    « Reply #10 on: June 05, 2024, 11:55:53 AM »
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  • He is also not listed as part of the staff of Saint Isidore's.


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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #11 on: June 05, 2024, 12:04:29 PM »
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  • The latest St. Isidore's bulletin does not indicate him on the front page, but lists him as going on vacation.  Typo?  

    I was just told by someone that the Fr. Fulton who is mentioned in the same bulletin is also not conditionally ordained.  

    Is not St. Isidore's the hub for the priestly training program?

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #12 on: June 05, 2024, 01:26:56 PM »
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/fr-calderon's-2014-study-on-the-new-rite-of-episcopal-consecration-in-english/

    In 2014, Fr. Calderon's conclusion of the validity of the rite, was this:


    ...As for the practical attitude to be taken with regard to the new Episcopal Consecrations, the one that the Society has maintained up to now seems to us to be justified:
    1. The very probable validity of the rite seems to us to make it morally acceptable to occasionally assist at the Mass (traditional rite) celebrated by a priest or a bishop ordained or consecrated in the new rite, and even to receive Communion therein; it seems to us acceptable, in case of necessity, to receive absolution from them; to treat them as priests and bishops and not as laymen in costume; it seems to us acceptable to allow them to celebrate in our own houses. For the shadows that hover over the validity of their priesthood are but shadows and in all these activities our responsibility is not engaged concerning their exercise of the priesthood. And the remote risk that one communion or one absolution may be invalid is not so serious.
    2. But the positive and objective defects from which this rite suffers, which prevent our having certainty of its validity, it seems to us - until there is a Roman judgement, for which many things would have to change - justify and make necessary the conditional reordination of priests ordained by New Bishops and, if necessary, the conditional reconsecration of these bishops. Such doubts cannot be tolerated at the very root of the Sacraments (33).
    Father Alvaro Calderon


    But to add to this discussion, Fr. Gregory Hesse (canon  +RIP), asked + Lefebvre if his ordination (1981) was OK...I think a real bishop used the new rite of ordination, and everything was done in Latin.  + Lefebvre said his ordination was valid...?? 
    Probably assessed that the Intention of the old bishop was correct:  To do what the Church does.
    But my two cents worth is : In the new rite, there is no mention of offering the sacrifice of mass for the DEAD. Anyone who refuses to believe that constant teaching of the Church is condemned, according to the Council of TRENT.

    CANON III.--If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.

    Novus Ordo Rites are evil, since they generally, and I mean 95% !!! lack something of either the Matter, the Form, and the Million dolors question:  THE INTENTION  !!?
    I don't remember Fr Hesse every saying he asked ABL, but he does say he asked at least 3 of the 4 new SSPX bishops including Bp Williamson, and all said he didn't need conditional ordination. He says he was ordained in the new rite in Latin by an old rite bishop.

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    Re: Father Fewell
    « Reply #13 on: June 05, 2024, 01:59:29 PM »
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  • False.  +Lefebvre provided and recommended conditional ordination as a matter or routine ... They did it routinely without any investigation and highly recommended it to every priest that came over from the NO, if for no other reason that to maintain peace in the consciences of the faithful.
    The same routine conditional adminstration of the sacrament apllied to Confirmation as well. In the 1980s, every SSPX seminarian who had been confirmed by a Novus Ordo bishop or priest using the new rite with Chrism consecrated with the new rite was reconfirmed sub conditione.
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    Re: Father Fewell
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  • The same routine conditional adminstration of the sacrament apllied to Confirmation as well. In the 1980s, every SSPX seminarian who had been confirmed by a Novus Ordo bishop or priest using the new rite with Chrism consecrated with the new rite was reconfirmed sub conditione.

    Can you cite something from the SSPX or Archbishop Lefebvre that backs up what you're saying?