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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2024, 10:41:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2024, 09:43:42 AM
    And besides, most of the time these Novus Ordo funerals are occasions of sin anyway:  Bobby is sitting in the back hanging his head, saying his rosary, while sexy Cindy, who wears a miniskirt is sitting right in front of him, showing her arse to the whole church.  Bobby sits there and listens to the Fr. Jimmy talk about dead Aunt Suzy, how good she was (when in reality she has not been to church in ten years), meanwhile the church breaks out in song, "Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine...."  Not to mention the fact that Fr. Jimmy has an entire history of saying nothing about the corrupt bishop in the diocese who permits and conceals the crimes of the perverted priests in the diocese.  How is it that Bobby just sits there and does not have some pains of conscience within his soul? 

    No more an occasion of sin than going to a grocery store.  If it's an occasion of sin for you, then by all means stay away.

    And ... how are these types of things different from what might happen at a Prot church?  And, from the theological aspect, Prots take it a step further even, claiming that anyone who "believes" is saved, and the more "boldly" they sinned, the greater their glory in Heaven.

    Of course, we don't even know who's saying what because of all the anonymous cowards on this thread.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #61 on: January 25, 2024, 11:37:35 AM »
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    Ridiculous.  There's no difference between the NOM and, say, Cramner's services, and very little difference from the Lutheran ones either.  How about Baptist services?
    And catholics were not allowed to attend Cramner's services or Lutheran ones.  Many became martyrs to avoid attendance.  Yet we can attend the NOM to celebrate a wedding????  My, how weak and unprincipled are modern day catholics!
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #62 on: January 25, 2024, 11:40:15 AM »
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    And, from the theological aspect, Prots take it a step further even, claiming that anyone who "believes" is saved, and the more "boldly" they sinned, the greater their glory in Heaven.
    It was never a normal thing, before 1960, for catholics to attend protestant weddings and funerals.  Using this canon law is revisionist history.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #63 on: January 25, 2024, 11:42:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 25, 2024, 10:41:47 AM
    No more an occasion of sin than going to a grocery store.  If it's an occasion of sin for you, then by all means stay away.

    And ... how are these types of things different from what might happen at a Prot church?  And, from the theological aspect, Prots take it a step further even, claiming that anyone who "believes" is saved, and the more "boldly" they sinned, the greater their glory in Heaven.

    Of course, we don't even know who's saying what because of all the anonymous cowards on this thread.
    What you're not getting is what the NOM is and it's only purpose, i.e. why it is. It's not comparable to a prot service, or a Hindu service for that matter.

    It's a demon that crudely dresses up as, and mocks the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary so all those in attendance get a belly full of it's eternally putrid fruits. Now if you want to go - go ahead, but stop posting that Holy Mother the Church ever permits her faithful children to attend the damned thing for any reason.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #64 on: January 25, 2024, 11:48:01 AM »
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    • This passive attendance argument is just another result of the further decline of the doctrine of EENS.  If most anyone can be saved outside of catholicism, including the novus ordo, due to BOD, then the danger of going to weddings and funerals becomes minimal.

    In orthodox times, catholics stayed away from illicit masses out of respect for the Church and the True Mass.  Now, the idea of illicitness is put aside, for social reasons.  Forgetting that Christ told us that if anyone choose a family member over Him, we aren't worthy of Him.

    Now we have sedevacantists who will condemn other Trads for going to an UNA cuм mass, but there's no condemnation for going to a novus ordo wedding.

    The world is truly backwards.   
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    « Reply #65 on: January 25, 2024, 11:50:43 AM »
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    34Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. 35For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.



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    He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me


    Certainly these quotes apply to attending novus ordo services --- for family reasons.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #66 on: January 25, 2024, 12:15:52 PM »
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    • People who post under the cloak of anonymity are not always dishonest cowards.  It could be that a man does not want his priest to know that he is a promoter of Fr. Feeney or a promoter of New Mass is a mortal sin.  Those of us long-in-the-fight know a great multitude of cases where traditional priests have kicked out trads on precisely these grounds.  

    Perhaps a man is being prudent because he does not want his wife and ten children to get kicked out of the church because they are dirty Feeneyites, or because they tell their children that they will not go to grandma's NO funeral. Of the natural virtues, Prudence is master.   
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #67 on: January 25, 2024, 12:16:48 PM »
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    • Most trads today seem to have no concept of the Majesty of God, the true Divinity of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, and the stupendous mystery that is the Holy Mass.   If we spent a mere fraction of our time meditating on these things rather than slinging our opinion around on the internet, the situation regarding the Novus Ordo, what it truly is, would become clear as a bell.  

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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #68 on: January 25, 2024, 12:26:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2024, 11:40:15 AM
    It was never a normal thing, before 1960, for Catholics to attend protestant weddings and funerals.  Using this canon law is revisionist history.
    Seems to have been normal enough that it was a subject dealt with in a publication in the 30's.

    https://archive.org/details/sim_homiletic-pastoral-review_1937-10_38_1/page/71/mode/1up?

    https://archive.org/details/sim_homiletic-pastoral-review_1938-04_38_7/page/737/mode/1up?
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #69 on: January 25, 2024, 12:47:22 PM »
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    « Reply #70 on: January 25, 2024, 12:58:33 PM »
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    Seems to have been normal enough that it was a subject dealt with in a publication in the 30's.
    I meant, it was not normal for GOOD Catholics to attend.  There were millions of bad Catholics before 1960 and even in the 20s.  Their bad actions and religious indifferentism were punished by the Great Depression, WW2 and then Vatican 2. 


    Religious indifference leads to liberalism.  Which is why the SSPX is in the state it’s in today.  

    If you aren’t 100% against the NOM, then you’ll eventually become indifferent to its evils, which is what is proved by this thread.  
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #71 on: January 25, 2024, 01:45:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2024, 12:58:33 PM
    I meant, it was not normal for GOOD Catholics to attend.  There were millions of bad Catholics before 1960 and even in the 20s.  Their bad actions and religious indifferentism were punished by the Great Depression, WW2 and then Vatican 2.


    Religious indifference leads to liberalism.  Which is why the SSPX is in the state it’s in today. 

    If you aren’t 100% against the NOM, then you’ll eventually become indifferent to its evils, which is what is proved by this thread. 
    I doubt that you are aware of or intend to be but this is what you sound like:

    And the Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying: This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

    [Luke 15:2]

    It's become apparent to me personally that wrapping myself in a bubble of self-righteousness (really selfishness), justifying the same (falsely) as part of being a GOOD Catholic, has been a serious error and a stumbling block to souls.
    The NO errs in the direction of throwing out Truth in the name of a false Charity, too many trads err in the direction of taking the Law as an end in itself. I doubt very much that our Lord is served well with either.

    "But woe to you, Pharisees, because you tithe mint and rue and every herb; and pass over judgment, and the charity of God. Now these things you ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    [Luke 11:42]

    When the "good" Catholics are so confused that they can't even show those outside the Faith a modicuм of compassion, it is no wonder that society is in the state that it is.
    To Hell with the tradhedrin.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #72 on: January 25, 2024, 02:14:07 PM »
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    When the "good" Catholics are so confused that they can't even show those outside the Faith a modicuм of compassion
    :facepalm:  Your false hypothesis is that the only way to show compassion is to go to the NOM.  One can simply skip the new mass and go to the reception/wake/funeral.  


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    « Reply #73 on: January 25, 2024, 02:38:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2024, 01:45:44 PM
    When the "good" Catholics are so confused that they can't even show those outside the Faith a modicuм of compassion, it is no wonder that society is in the state that it is.
    To Hell with the tradhedrin.
    Good Catholics avoid evil. The NOM is evil. Those outside of the faith see a good Catholic that does not go and they might ask why? HERE is the opportunity to charitably unconfuse those outside the faith. HERE is your opportunity to "show those outside the Faith a modicuм of compassion."

    OTOH, those who see a "good" Catholic at a NOM means they will see no reason whatsoever to question, much less ever learn of any reason to avoid the NOM.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #74 on: January 25, 2024, 02:49:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2024, 12:58:33 PM
    I meant, it was not normal for GOOD Catholics to attend.
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    Yes, it was. Can't you read? The article said it was perfectly fine for Catholics to attend a non-Catholic funeral if they don't participate.

    You are the one going against canon law and what the Church has taught, by rejecting these clear, simple rules and inventing your own and pretending other people are required to observe them.

    Instead, you should be keeping what was taught before Vatican 2, especially when it is presented to you clearly, as in this Catholic publication.
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