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Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
« on: January 24, 2024, 11:14:05 AM »
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    • Has anyone attended mass here, or does anyone know of Father Bitzer? I believe it is a Resistance chapel. Thank you for your time

    (Posted here in case some would like to remain anonymous) 
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2024, 12:01:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on January 24, 2024, 11:14:05 AM
    Has anyone attended mass here, or does anyone know of Father Bitzer? I believe it is a Resistance chapel. Thank you for your time

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    I used to go there when I lived in Louisville, that was about 15 years ago. Fr. Bitzer is awesome.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2024, 12:24:51 PM »
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    • Fr Bitzer was ordained by Lefebvre.  He left the sspx at some point and went to help Fr Wathen in Kentucky.  He’s independent but friendly with all the Trad groups.  Similar to Fr Ringrose in Va. 
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2024, 12:59:34 PM »
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    • Also he's a Feeneyite.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2024, 01:03:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 12:59:34 PM
    Also he's a Feeneyite.

    Proud of yourself there?
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2024, 01:09:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on January 24, 2024, 01:03:49 PM
    Proud of yourself there?
    Just stating facts. It matters for some :cowboy:
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2024, 01:19:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 01:09:51 PM
    Just stating facts. It matters for some :cowboy:
    Yeah?  Are you a priest? 
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #7 on: January 24, 2024, 01:22:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 01:09:51 PM
    Just stating facts. It matters for some :cowboy:
    Well, it's definitely a huge plus, and it's one of the things that makes him awesome, but either way for me I really, really liked OLOP when I was living down there.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2024, 01:30:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on January 24, 2024, 01:19:12 PM
    Yeah?  Are you a priest?
    Merry, I don't understand why you're so upset :confused: For some it's a plus, for others it's a minus. That's why I stuck to "It matters for some."

    Pax tecuм.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #9 on: January 24, 2024, 01:46:40 PM »
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    • Thank you all for the responses, I appreciate it. It is good to hear that he maintains that outside the Church there is no salvation. I am reading on the chapel website that newcomers are not allowed Communion unless they "refrain from ever attending the New Mass...even for funerals and weddings". I was under the assumption that Catholics were allowed to be passively present at non-Catholic funerals and weddings, with some exceptions, prior to Vatican 2. Am I incorrect? 
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #10 on: January 24, 2024, 01:51:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 01:30:42 PM
    Merry, I don't understand why you're so upset :confused: For some it's a plus, for others it's a minus. That's why I stuck to "It matters for some."

    Pax tecuм.
    You made certain to make that point just trying to be helpful.  Right.

    Would that all priests were as Fr. Feeney - and Fr. Wathen, for that matter.  The Trad world would be in better shape.  The Church will affirm these priests were correct in their assertions at least post-Fatima Consecration - but it would help to have more such courageous priests now.  Souls and Our Lord's worship, would be the better for it.     


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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #11 on: January 24, 2024, 02:05:02 PM »
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    • The passive attendance at non-Catholic religious functions was something that was tolerated for a serious reason, rather than simply allowed as a matter of course.

    The distinction here is that the Novus Ordo is not merely a non-Catholic religious function, such as a Baptist funeral or a Lutheran wedding, but in fact claims to be and masquerades as Catholic worship.  If it is legitimate Catholic worship, then that's where one should be attending Mass, not an independent, canonically illegal venue.  If it is not legitimate Catholic worship, then (unlike the Lutheran service) it would be a sacrilege.

    That being said, I don't want to derail this thread into another debate about the NO vs Traditional Mass.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #12 on: January 24, 2024, 02:15:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 02:05:02 PM
    The passive attendance at non-Catholic religious functions was something that was tolerated for a serious reason, rather than simply allowed as a matter of course.

    The distinction here is that the Novus Ordo is not merely a non-Catholic religious function, such as a Baptist funeral or a Lutheran wedding, but in fact claims to be and masquerades as Catholic worship.  If it is legitimate Catholic worship, then that's where one should be attending Mass, not an independent, canonically illegal venue.  If it is not legitimate Catholic worship, then (unlike the Lutheran service) it would be a sacrilege.

    That being said, I don't want to derail this thread into another debate about the NO vs Traditional Mass.
    Well said.
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #13 on: January 24, 2024, 02:16:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 01:51:09 PM
    You made certain to make that point just trying to be helpful.  Right.

    Would that all priests were as Fr. Feeney - and Fr. Wathen, for that matter.  The Trad world would be in better shape.  The Church will affirm these priests were correct in their assertions at least post-Fatima Consecration - but it would help to have more such courageous priests now.  Souls and Our Lord's worship, would be the better for it.   
    You said it!
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    Re: Father Bitzer and Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel Louisville, KY
    « Reply #14 on: January 24, 2024, 02:29:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2024, 01:51:09 PM
    You made certain to make that point just trying to be helpful.  Right.

    Would that all priests were as Fr. Feeney - and Fr. Wathen, for that matter.  The Trad world would be in better shape.  The Church will affirm these priests were correct in their assertions at least post-Fatima Consecration - but it would help to have more such courageous priests now.  Souls and Our Lord's worship, would be the better for it.   
    This reply was me  - Merry
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