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Facing Abandonment
« on: August 05, 2017, 02:39:01 AM »
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  • I'm an American who married a foreigner. We're both traditional Catholics. I petitioned for him to come to the U.S. and it was a long process with a lot of paperwork. We're still waiting on his green card status but at this point it may all have been in vain.
    The cultural differences started cracks. In his culture, yelling and shouting is perfectly normal, but for me it's scary and he has also yelled in my mother's face. He screams at me to get up and cook but I try to explain to him that he doesn't need to scream at me for me to do things for him.
    I lost my job and it's been worse. He is working with his work visa but wants to quit. The work is long but it does pay well. It's been very helpful having him work while I look for a new job. Before he found a job, I supported us financially.
    Now, he is preparing to go back to his home country to secure a permanent job position. The pay compared to U.S. money is very meager. He is going anyway and told me he would return when I find work. So this means I have to survive on unemployment and will not have health insurance. He doesn't understand why this is upsetting for me.
    He has said I should go with him, but I can't. I have a pet here who is a service animal, and I have a house and mortgage. I also love my home. And I have a parent who is in poor health.
    I would be willing to go to his home country in time. But I feel like he is abandoning me. And that hurts. 
    My thoughts are that he had expectations about America and is disappointed. He hates our health care system. I have had to listen to him tear me down saying I am inferior to him and my culture is inferior. My mother has tried to intervene and is fair and neutral, but now he hates my mother and puts her down to me.
    I feel really hurt, it feels like I married a monster. There were signs before but I trusted him. 
    What can I do? There is no changing his mind, he is going to his home country.


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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 08:43:02 AM »
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  • I'm an American who married a foreigner. We're both traditional Catholics. I petitioned for him to come to the U.S. and it was a long process with a lot of paperwork. We're still waiting on his green card status but at this point it may all have been in vain.
    The cultural differences started cracks. In his culture, yelling and shouting is perfectly normal, but for me it's scary and he has also yelled in my mother's face. He screams at me to get up and cook but I try to explain to him that he doesn't need to scream at me for me to do things for him.
    I lost my job and it's been worse. He is working with his work visa but wants to quit. The work is long but it does pay well. It's been very helpful having him work while I look for a new job. Before he found a job, I supported us financially.
    Now, he is preparing to go back to his home country to secure a permanent job position. The pay compared to U.S. money is very meager. He is going anyway and told me he would return when I find work. So this means I have to survive on unemployment and will not have health insurance. He doesn't understand why this is upsetting for me.
    He has said I should go with him, but I can't. I have a pet here who is a service animal, and I have a house and mortgage. I also love my home. And I have a parent who is in poor health.
    I would be willing to go to his home country in time. But I feel like he is abandoning me. And that hurts.
    My thoughts are that he had expectations about America and is disappointed. He hates our health care system. I have had to listen to him tear me down saying I am inferior to him and my culture is inferior. My mother has tried to intervene and is fair and neutral, but now he hates my mother and puts her down to me.
    I feel really hurt, it feels like I married a monster. There were signs before but I trusted him.
    What can I do? There is no changing his mind, he is going to his home country.
    Sit down and thrash out the whole issue with him.  Pray to St. Monica and St. Rita. You can also read this small post. God bless you.
    http://www.catholicwifecatholiclife.com/the-patron-saint-of-married-women-difficult-marriages/


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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 09:03:35 AM »
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  • A woman should be able to count on a man.  A man should not be depending on a woman like this.  You're supposed to be his helpmeet.  He's been using you.  I'm sorry.  


    Prepare your mind and emotions for a separation of some kind.  

    It's either A. enjoy your life of comfort and familiarity and ignore your husband's commands, remaining in your native land, or B. say goodbye to your creature comforts to join your hostile husband in a foreign land where you will likely be destitute.  



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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 10:00:35 AM »
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  • I this question should be asked to your confessor which I hope is a traditional Catholic priest. He can give you guidance that will not lead you into sin. Christ at your judgment will know if you did so. No one on a forum can lead you correctly. None of us have the guarantee, "He who hears you, Hears ME." Only a true priest has this. Please go to your traditional priests and don't seek worthlesss information from an anonymous forum.

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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 11:14:04 PM »
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  • I have a pet here who is a service animal, and I have a house and mortgage. I also love my home.
    Pray for detachment. Do you seriously value your pet and house more than your husband and your marriage?
    And I have a parent who is in poor health.
    God asks for prompt obedience: "And another of his disciples said to him: Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said to him: Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead." (Mt. 8:21-22)
    I would be willing to go to his home country in time.
    Here's what the Catechism of the Council of Trent says regarding wives (§Holy Matrimony):
    Quote from: Catechism of the Council of Trent, § Holy Matrimony
    …let wives never forget that next to God they are to love their husbands, to esteem them above all others [including parents!], yielding to them in all things not inconsistent with Christian piety, a willing and ready obedience.
    What can I do?
    Obey him. He's not telling you to sin.


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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 11:22:03 PM »
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  • A woman should be able to count on a man.  A man should not be depending on a woman like this.  You're supposed to be his helpmeet.  He's been using you.  I'm sorry.  

    Prepare your mind and emotions for a separation of some kind.  

    It's either A. enjoy your life of comfort and familiarity and ignore your husband's commands, remaining in your native land, or B. say goodbye to your creature comforts to join your hostile husband in a foreign land where you will likely be destitute.  
    This is how a feminist sees the situation. It's not how Our Blessed Mother handled a similar situation:
    Quote from: Matt. 2:13-14
    an angel of the Lord appeared in sleep to Joseph, saying: Arise, and take the child and his mother, and fly into Egypt: and be there until I shall tell thee. For it will come to pass that Herod will seek the child to destroy him. Who arose, and took the child and his mother by night, and retired into Egypt: and he was there until the death of Herod
    Notice, the angel did not appear to the Blessed Mother, and she did not resist St. Joseph taking her to a foreign land.
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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 01:10:56 AM »
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  • If you've tried your best to make him feel at home and happy in this country and your efforts have failed, then you should go with him to where he feels he can lead and provide for his family. Since you married him before he'd even found a job or adjusted to this country, I'm sure you knew that him not warming up to this culture was a solid possibility.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2017, 02:32:15 AM »
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  • OP here.

    I do cook. I'm pretty good. He doesn't need to scream at me when I fall asleep to do it. "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church." Screaming at me and cussing is not Christ loving the Church.

    The pet is a service animal for my health issues. She's more than a pet. Love to me would be to wait for my pet to be able to make the move. Why should I have to sacrifice something, a being, that I NEED? For him?

    I have talked to several priests. 

    The conclusion is that he is not working this out with me. He is not talking to me. He is taking a meager job that is enough to support him. He does not have a home prepared. How is this logical? The priests agree on this, it makes no sense. 
    For all of his own reasons, he wants out. He isn't even speaking to me. I'm sleeping on the couch as he talks on the phone in the room about me in another language in a bad way, so I just left the house.

    Aren't I worthy of being loved, all of me, who I was before, and am now, before he made the Sacrament of Matrimony with me? He is abandoning me. If he gave this time, it would work out. If we negotiated, we could spend time there half the year and the other half here. There are ways to meet together in this. He isn't giving me the chance. 

    In fact, he told me today he won't have children with me and that I am a woman out of 300, whatever that means. I'm really, really hurt, to say the least. 


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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2017, 02:41:37 AM »
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  • If you've asked knowledgeable priests, it's OK to do as they've advised. They probably know the 2 of you much better than your explanations can portray.

    For example, you said "He has said I should go with him", but now you're implying he has no place for you to stay. Which is more accurate?
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    Re: Facing Abandonment
    « Reply #9 on: August 06, 2017, 10:20:55 AM »
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  • You need to pray to St. Joseph for employment for your husband. He can attain a job for your husband if it is God's will. Their are some real problems that haven't been discussed. Jobs with truly good health insurance are difficult to find for well-educated Americans. It may be impossible for a foreigner to obtain this type of job in this country without divine aid. Many jobs give health insurance, but the insurance is very bad and only pays for something after a huge 10,000 dollar deductible is spent. All it takes is one medical issue to impoverish a family for life in this country. It may be better and easier for your husband to return and find a good job in his country. You would have health insurance in that country. Their is probably a procedure for transporting service dogs to a foreign country. It probably requires time an paperwork, but it probably can be done with perseverance. I hope that you are obtaining advice from truly traditional priests and not novus ordo priests as they will give you evil advice. It is scary and often times impossible to find a good job for a foreigner. You  and your husband probably had unrealistic ideas about his financial future in the US which often happens. Pray to Mary Immaculate and St. Joseph and do not despair.