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Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
« on: February 11, 2020, 11:03:04 AM »
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  • I am self-employed and provide my services to individuals and small businesses.  In the past, I have had people from all walks of life as clients, including Catholics, Protestants, Atheists, Jєωs, Muslims, etc.  That some are non-Catholic has never been an issue because neither my services nor their business touched on anything that in and of itself could be considered as scandalous.  However, I have recently been approached by an outwardly pagan non-profit organization whose sole purpose is conducting a local-area pagan festival once per year.  And while my services will not directly promote said festive and/or the organization's beliefs, there exists the possibility that I could be publicly associated with the organization itself through my services. In that regard, is it ethical for me to take on this client?  Would it be scandalous if I were in any way associated with this client? The amount of money involved in my services is not what I would call substantial (more than likely, less than $1000), so I could decline working with the organization without any dire financial consequences to myself.  But then again, when one is self-employed, every dollar counts.


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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #1 on: February 11, 2020, 12:41:55 PM »
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  • I would not take them on. My opinion.  The Church said of the Jєωs over all her years, do not support Jєωs, for example.  The Church had inquisitions for those who were pretenders trying to make it to pope.  Which we have been in this positions for almost a hundred years.  


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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 01:18:05 PM »
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  • I would not take them on. My opinion.  The Church said of the Jєωs over all her years, do not support Jєωs, for example.  The Church had inquisitions for those who were pretenders trying to make it to pope.  Which we have been in this positions for almost a hundred years.  

    Are you sober?

    Your first couple sentences made sense.

    Then you talk about the Church having inquisitions (plural) especially for those trying to get elected pope? Huh? That's news to me, and I'm a life-long Trad.

    Then you add that we have been in this positions (plural?) for almost a hundred years. What position? The Jєωs conspiring against the Church? It's been a LOT longer than that! Nothing significant changed in the Church 100 years ago. We had a big change around 1965, with the revolution going overt and mainstream. But what happened in 1920?

    Anyhow, your post didn't make a lot of sense.
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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #3 on: February 11, 2020, 01:24:02 PM »
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  • However, I have recently been approached by an outwardly pagan non-profit organization whose sole purpose is conducting a local-area pagan festival once per year.  And while my services will not directly promote said festive and/or the organization's beliefs, there exists the possibility that I could be publicly associated with the organization itself through my services. In that regard, is it ethical for me to take on this client?

    I guess you're not going to give us any more info -- if you pick up garbage for them or something that doesn't promote their particular devil(s), I don't see how that would be a problem.

    Let's put it this way -- let's flip this question around. Do we have to restrict our customers to those of the household of the Faith? Do our business dealings rubber-stamp the religion(s) of each of our customers? That's not feasible in the United States circa 2020. There are A) NOT ENOUGH CATHOLICS, and B) too many false religions, sects, and heresies in the population.

    As I've said a million times -- if we're restricted (in buying OR selling) to Traditional Catholics, we're all SCREWED. No income is possible, and we won't be able to buy anything either. We'd have to go live in the woods and live like bears. There just aren't enough Trads to support more than a few families full-time. The rest of us need to make money off the Prots, Jєωs, atheists, and various infidels and heretics. God doesn't want us to starve.

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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #4 on: February 11, 2020, 01:33:58 PM »
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  • I guess you're not going to give us any more info --

    OP here... not sure what else you would like to know.  I mean, when I say they are 'pagan' I mean that in a literal sense... they literally have that in the name of their organization, and their sole non-profit purpose is to promote paganism, literally.

    For the sake of argument, let's say I'm a Certified Public Accountant who has been approached by this organization to prepare and file a tax return for them.  As a CPA, I would be signing the tax forms which, arguably, could become part of the public record later on down the line. If all I am doing for them are the professional accounting services, is there scandal in that?


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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #5 on: February 11, 2020, 01:41:03 PM »
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  • My opinion and advice remains the same: re-read my last 2 paragraphs. Short version: there aren't enough solid/Trad Catholics to restrict our customers to their number. Nor can we restrict our support on the buying end to fellow Catholics either. We have to buy goods and services from all sorts of men and women without the Faith, who are on the road to hell. There just aren't enough Catholics.

    The Hindu will just hire another CPA. Unless there is a more direct promotion of Hinduism, you are under no obligation to "pass" on that client, letting someone else do it. It's one of those things "it's up to you". Filing a tax return for a Hindu is not intrinsically evil.

    Why would a pagan organization be any different than a thousand other secular organizations? None of them promote or acknowledge the Catholic Faith as the one true Ark of Salvation. Either your clients/customers all have to possess the virtue of Faith (be part of the Catholic Church) or they do not. It's pretty clear-cut.

    From God's point of view, those Hindus are in about as much state of grace (read: not at all) as the more comfortable-to-us Protestants who surround us every day. 

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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #6 on: February 11, 2020, 08:17:18 PM »
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  • If working with/for these particular pagans in this particular instance is enough to give you pause; then let it go. God will provide if you are trying to be as prudent and faithful as possible.

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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #7 on: February 11, 2020, 09:21:45 PM »
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    However, I have recently been approached by an outwardly pagan non-profit organization whose sole purpose is conducting a local-area pagan festival once per year.  
    How can a Catholic even consider helping to promote a pagan festival?  Of course you can't!


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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #8 on: February 11, 2020, 10:10:24 PM »
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  • How can a Catholic even consider helping to promote a pagan festival?  Of course you can't!
    I agree.
    But you could do their taxes, pick up their trash, sell them food, cut their hair, sell them a car, the list goes on.
    As long as you are not DIRECTLY participating in false worship, or the promotion of false worship, it is completely up to you.

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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 02:25:18 AM »
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  • I am self-employed and provide my services to individuals and small businesses.  In the past, I have had people from all walks of life as clients, including Catholics, Protestants, Atheists, Jєωs, Muslims, etc.  That some are non-Catholic has never been an issue because neither my services nor their business touched on anything that in and of itself could be considered as scandalous.  However, I have recently been approached by an outwardly pagan non-profit organization whose sole purpose is conducting a local-area pagan festival once per year.  And while my services will not directly promote said festive and/or the organization's beliefs, there exists the possibility that I could be publicly associated with the organization itself through my services. In that regard, is it ethical for me to take on this client?  Would it be scandalous if I were in any way associated with this client? The amount of money involved in my services is not what I would call substantial (more than likely, less than $1000), so I could decline working with the organization without any dire financial consequences to myself.  But then again, when one is self-employed, every dollar counts.
    What type of pagan organization is this and what exactly do they want you to do?

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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 07:27:19 AM »
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  • How can a Catholic even consider helping to promote a pagan festival?  Of course you can't!
    He said nothing about promoting it.


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    Re: Ethics of working with overtly pagan organization
    « Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 11:43:43 AM »
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  • What type of pagan organization is this and what exactly do they want you to do?
    Good question.