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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2022, 03:34:05 PM »
The 1996 criterion of Msgr. Williamson (which M. Taylor says was also the thinking of Msgr. Lefebvre) is not that one be ignorant of the traditional Messe, but that one is "unaware of, or disbelieving in, that evil, because of the rite’s official promulgation." 

From what I recall of that video, this description would certainly have fit the woman.

Apologies; this was me

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2022, 05:03:55 PM »
I stand to be corrected but in the video didn't the woman ask about Novus Ordo Masses only during the week and elsewhere, that she was well aware of the Traditional Mass? If so, that plainly shows that she was not ignorant of the true Mass.

Yes, she was aware of the TLM, because she attended it on Sundays, if I recall correctly, and I'm pretty sure I'm recalling it correctly. She asked +W about attending the New Mass on weekdays, if it was alright to do that. He said "Yes."

I don't have a problem with someone attending the New Mass on weekdays. That may be trad heresy, I know. +W has been convicted of the same. 


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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2022, 08:15:22 PM »
She asked +W about attending the New Mass on weekdays, if it was alright to do that. He said "Yes."

There was quite a bit more than, "Can I go to the new Mass?  Sure."

To refresh your memory, begin listening at 1:01:44.

  

He begins precisely as M. Taylor said was correct (and in line with Msgr. Lefebvre) in 1996: Distinguishing between principle and practice; the objective principle and subjective circuмstances.

Can anyone explain why Msgr. Williamson's position was correct in 1996, but erroneous in 2015-2022?

M. Johnson had it right all along: Abbes Pfeiffer/Hewko saw an opportunity to exploit their simple faithful, in an attempt to get the resistance to head their way.

Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2022, 08:34:29 PM »
There was quite a bit more than, "Can I go to the new Mass?  Sure."

To refresh your memory, begin listening at 1:01:44.

 

He begins precisely as M. Taylor said was correct (and in line with Msgr. Lefebvre) in 1996: Distinguishing between principle and practice; the objective principle and subjective circuмstances.

Can anyone explain why Msgr. Williamson's position was correct in 1996, but erroneous in 2015-2022?

M. Johnson had it right all along: Abbes Pfeiffer/Hewko saw an opportunity to exploit their simple faithful, in an attempt to get the resistance to head their way.

Keep in mind that Pfeiffer/Hewko were already publicly at war with Msgr. Williamson for two years regarding:

-They were angry he would not place Pfeiffer in charge of a seminary
-They were angry that he would not endorse their "red light" position
-They were angry that he would not organize on the basis of a traditional congregation, calling the independent enclave plan "stupid"
-They had been publicly accusing him of "sheep stealing" since 2014, when he supported Msgr. Zendejas servicing the Ridgefield area resistance chapels
-They were criticizing him publicly for confirming Feeneyite faithful
-They were resistant to his requesting them to separate from the Mexicano

By the time Mahopac rolled around, it was one more complaint to fill the pews.

Fortunately, M. Taylor has refuted all this business by showing the incredible consistency in Msgr. Williamson between 1996 - 2022, which he is clear to state was the position of Msgr. Lefebvre.

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2022, 09:17:13 PM »
I don't have a problem with someone attending the New Mass on weekdays. That may be trad heresy, I know. +W has been convicted of the same.

Then you have no problem with someone attending the New Mass.  Period.  At that point, why are you a Traditional Catholic again, refusing submission to the lawful hierarchy of the Church (as you see it)?