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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2022, 01:29:28 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 01:12:09 PM
Archbishop Lefebvre only admitted to validity. Everyone should know that validity does NOT equal grace (see the Church's teaching on attendance at VALID Orthodox sacraments that nevertheless are not allowed).  See also here for how +W and Johnson are wrong on this issue according to Church teaching. https://fsspx.news/en/content/32569

I've been around long enough to recall when both +W and Johnson used to say the opposite of what they are saying about grace in the New Mass. It's actually well docuмented, particularly in +W's case. Maybe the fight has gone out of him?

Interesting.

I have a task for you:

1) Please quote Williamson or Johnson denying grace passes to well-disposed communicants.  J
ohnson has 10,000 posts on this forum alone, and Williamson has 7 volumes of books and countless internet sermons and conferences, so unless you are completely full of shit, backing your contentions shouldn't be difficult.

2) Please also quote either contending that Orthodox sacraments are allowed (outside the case of necessity).

3) The article you link pertains to the new rite of Mass, not the matter at hand (i.e., the passage of grace to well disposed communicants). 
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2022, 01:38:10 PM »
Where is Sean anyway? 
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2022, 02:00:16 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
Interesting.

I have a task for you:

1) Please quote Williamson or Johnson denying grace passes to well-disposed communicants.  J
ohnson has 10,000 posts on this forum alone, and Williamson has 7 volumes of books and countless internet sermons and conferences, so unless you are completely full of shit, backing your contentions shouldn't be difficult.

2) Please also quote either contending that Orthodox sacraments are allowed (outside the case of necessity).

3) The article you link pertains to the new rite of Mass, not the matter at hand (i.e., the passage of grace to well disposed communicants).
I have zero interest in doing your homework for you. If you don't know where to look the sspx archives are a great starting place. You are perhaps new to tradition? Otherwise these requests make no sense. 

But in the interest of being helpful, please see His Excellency's EC #387, in which he states “Take for instance the Novus Ordo Mass. The New Rite as a whole so diminishes the expression of essential Catholic truths...that it is as a whole so bad that no priest should use it, nor Catholic attend it. ... f I say that the new Mass must always be avoided, I am telling the truth ....” 

But even more plainly said by His Excellency was in a recording wherein he notes that while valid it is ILLICIT. Nothing illicit can give grace. He calls the New Mass "intrinsically evil" and that we must not attend. https://youtu.be/f0gV0qyZN50

The new Rite of Mass is evil according to His Excellency. Also according to Trent. Also according to +Lefebvre. 

There is no defense for His Excellency's change of mind on this subject. He is too well educated and too well-formed to make this mistake. Either he was lying before when he said to the avoid the New Mass or he is lying now saying people can attend. But no man can serve two masters as Vigano says with respect to the New Mass and the Old Mass.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2022, 02:01:55 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 01:14:27 PM

So there are no faithful bishops left in the world (an opinion which comes perilously close to implicit denial of the dogma of indefectability), and now the world is down to two priests: Frère Arizaga (a Benedictine who spends more time wantering the face of the earth than Cain from Kung Fu) and Fr. Ruiz.

Actually, if Hewko is attempting to collaborate with the same bishops he denounces, and Arizaga and Ruiz are collaborating with him, then all three are logically to be red lighted (which means there are no acceptable priests or bishops left in the world and the church has vanished).

Where do I sign up?
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2022, 02:13:22 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 02:00:16 PM
  Either he was lying before when he said to the avoid the New Mass or he is lying now saying people can attend.
AFAIK +Williamson has never been omniscient, so he may have simply changed his mind. I disagree with HE's opinion on this, and other things, but I would be cautious in declaring him to be mendacious.
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