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Änσnymσus

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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2022, 08:51:43 AM »
Let’s focus on Christ the King and make reparations for our sins. 
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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2022, 08:37:15 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on September 25, 2022, 05:29:14 PM
1st. Fr. Hewko has done lasting damage to his own credibility (Pfeiffer) so why should anyone care about his opinions?
2nd. Why did Fr. MacDonald think it necessary to even respond?
3rd. Why did you, OP, think it a good idea to post this publicly? Do the sheep really need to see how pathetic their self-proclaimed shepherds are? Do we need more titillating infighting to occupy our time? Is it going to bring ANYONE closer to Heaven?
 
Well I personally found it useful because I was not familiar with the issue and I was not aware of Fr Hewko' s issue.
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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2022, 12:56:58 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 30, 2022, 08:46:51 AM
Either we are truly traditional Catholics who defend Tradition against a cursed New Mass or we are not. If we defend grace in the New Mass then we are no better +Fellay who signed that all the New Sacraments are legitimately promulgated, which was a scandal at the time. Yet this grace in the New Mass nonsense is simply a regurgitated version of that.
In the May 5, 1988 protocol that was signed by Archbishop Lefebvre and withdrawn the next day due to the delaying tactics for the episcopal consecrations:

4. We declare moreover that we will recognize the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and of the sacraments celebrated with the intention of doing what the Church does and according to the rites in the typical editions of the missal and rituals of the sacraments promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.

So the new rites are recognized as valid by Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX as long as they are validly celebrated according to the typical editions. However, to my knowledge, no SSPX priest or publication has publicly said that it is OK to attend the New Mass. It seems that Bishop Williamson and the Resistance faction associated with him are even more liberal with regards to the New Mass.
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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2022, 01:12:09 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 12:56:58 PM
In the May 5, 1988 protocol that was signed by Archbishop Lefebvre and withdrawn the next day due to the delaying tactics for the episcopal consecrations:

4. We declare moreover that we will recognize the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and of the sacraments celebrated with the intention of doing what the Church does and according to the rites in the typical editions of the missal and rituals of the sacraments promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.

So the new rites are recognized as valid by Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX as long as they are validly celebrated according to the typical editions. However, to my knowledge, no SSPX priest or publication has publicly said that it is OK to attend the New Mass. It seems that Bishop Williamson and the Resistance faction associated with him are even more liberal with regards to the New Mass.
Archbishop Lefebvre only admitted to validity. Everyone should know that validity does NOT equal grace (see the Church's teaching on attendance at VALID Orthodox sacraments that nevertheless are not allowed).  See also here for how +W and Johnson are wrong on this issue according to Church teaching. https://fsspx.news/en/content/32569

I've been around long enough to recall when both +W and Johnson used to say the opposite of what they are saying about grace in the New Mass. It's actually well docuмented, particularly in +W's case. Maybe the fight has gone out of him? 
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Re: Email from Fr. MacDonald
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2022, 01:14:27 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 31, 2022, 08:37:15 AM
Well I personally found it useful because I was not familiar with the issue and I was not aware of Fr Hewko' s issue.

L'Abbe Hewko seems a bit schizophrenic, when on the one hand he declares that, "We have to distance ourselves from these (False Resistance) bishops and wait for a better day," but on the other hand he attampta to collaborate with them by receiving delegation to perform confirmations and making requests for holy oils.

'Tis for thee, but not for me.

By his own principles, musn't his own faithful should now suspect him of attempting to subvert the true resistance, and place it under the power of compromisers? 

Moreover, they must now abstain from all Abbe Hewko Masses, and have nothing to do with him.

Meanwhile, Abbe Hewko solicits funds for a seminary, built for candidates who will have no bishop to ordain them, and an absentee rector to form them.

"We must trust in the providence of God (like Abbe Pfeiffer did)," they will no doubt be told (as though today's circuмstances were not indicative of God's will).

Does this sounds like a re-run of Bostom, Ky.

Perhaps "God's providence" will manifest itself in a similar way as well (i.e., "Msgr" Hewko) as it allegedly did for Abbe Pfeiffer?

So there are no faithful bishops left in the world (an opinion which comes perilously close to implicit denial of the dogma of indefectability), and now the world is down to two priests: Frère Arizaga (a Benedictine who spends more time wantering the face of the earth than Cain from Kung Fu) and Fr. Ruiz.



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