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« on: March 15, 2014, 12:04:04 AM »
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  • I would like to get your ideas on how to approach this. This was sent by email to a group. I don't want to go too broad if I can help it but keep it to ECT, not psychiatry in general. The person who sent it is a lapsed Catholic. Thank you.



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    My Psychiatrist at our last meeting 2 weeks ago decided that it was time to refer me to another  Psychiatrist. I was referred for an opinion re ECT specialises in E.C.T.
     
    My regular guy felt it is now the only way to go.
     
    The new guy, after an extensive and probing interview decided ECT was the way to go
     
    This whole thing started around my 60th. Physical symptoms then and since,  have proven to be no reason for concern. I have had the largest range of tests scans etc from head to toe.
     
     From there it all got worse .I have  tried  every Drug group available save one. That one is what they call an “older drug” it requires a very dramatic change in diet as the drug and some foods and liquids do not react well . Not preferred and the Drs have chosen to not take me down that path.
     
    At my last visit with my  Psychiatrist  he confirmed that unquestionably I am still suffering with Chronic Depression. To say I am over it is simply the biggest understatement . I go to bed hoping that I  just die in my sleep. I drive down the road and hope a large truck and so on
     
    There has been no a light at the end of the tunnel. We return to xxxxx on Sat ##### from our  Cruise (leaving ####) and I will be admitted to Hospital on Monday the ####. I  will be in Hospital for 3 – 4 weeks. In that period I will undergo a series of ECT treatments. I am told that the loss of memory is no longer a significant concern.
     
    It has been made clear to me that ECT is not a cure. It is a maintenance program. The time in Hospital will get me to a level and after that  at intervals to be determined I will require more treatments .
     
    I will not be drug free after the treatment.
     
    70% of people undergoing have positive outcomes . I will be in that 70%.


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    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 12:06:16 AM »
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  • If he's a lapsed Catholic, no wonder he's depressed.

    He needs to read the Psalms, not have electric currents shot through his temples.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 12:26:04 AM »
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  • This is very serious, so no db.  
    Your friend is at high risk of ѕυιcιdє.  The peak time for that is when he's released from hospital and seemingly doing better.  If there is any possibility he'd speak with a priest, pursue that in addition to watching him like a hawk!  Will he pray the Rosary, wear a scapular or blessed medal, esp. St. Benedict, Miraculous Medal, St Michael?  Will he pray to St. Dymphna or St. John Vianney?  Tell him that religious feelings and even "faith" are not necessary.  (Our Lady answered my prayers when I began to "say" the Rosary while not really believing in her intercession.) The best you can hope for your friend to gain by ECT treatments is the temporary relief afforded by emotional numbness.  Pray for him daily and keep tabs on him.  It may be that God wants to use him for a special purpose, so the devil is doing everything in his power to get rid of him.
    OP may PM me, if desired.  
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    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 05:17:40 AM »
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  • Thank you Frances. I may take you up on your offer. My friend lives too far removed to keep a close eye on, but I would appreciate member's prayers, for my friend and for me as I try to help.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 05:37:45 AM »
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  • I know two people who had that procedure and their outcomes were positive.  


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    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 06:26:03 AM »
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  • Prayers .. .

    Sometimes things mysteriously work. You try one thing, you try another, and for one particular person an unexpected thing works.

    Though it is a frightening treatment isn't it?

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    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 08:23:54 AM »
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  • Procedures like this (and lobotomies - now largely discredited) are monstrous.

    This grotesque "treatment" was developed by materialists who reject the existence of the soul and believe the brain to be the seat of man's consciousness.

    A melancholic type lapsed from the faith is naturally prone to bouts of depression... perhaps even demonic obsession. It is a spiritual disorder that requires a spiritual solution and it utterly dismays and disgusts me to see Catholics on this forum praise barbaric chemical / electrical mutilation of the brain and the superstitious pseudoscience (created by atheists, materialists and Jєωs) that advocates such evil "cures."

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    « Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 09:54:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    This is very serious, so no db.  
    Your friend is at high risk of ѕυιcιdє.  The peak time for that is when he's released from hospital and seemingly doing better.  If there is any possibility he'd speak with a priest, pursue that in addition to watching him like a hawk!  Will he pray the Rosary, wear a scapular or blessed medal, esp. St. Benedict, Miraculous Medal, St Michael?  Will he pray to St. Dymphna or St. John Vianney?  Tell him that religious feelings and even "faith" are not necessary.  (Our Lady answered my prayers when I began to "say" the Rosary while not really believing in her intercession.) The best you can hope for your friend to gain by ECT treatments is the temporary relief afforded by emotional numbness.  Pray for him daily and keep tabs on him.  It may be that God wants to use him for a special purpose, so the devil is doing everything in his power to get rid of him.
    OP may PM me, if desired.  



    And what do you know about this field exactly?
    From my conversations with you I know that the person involved should not contact you.
    Why? Because of your views on psychiatry being of help to him, which is actually the curse of his life that he suffers with. He suffers, and referring him to people who cause that suffering is NOT the answer.

    Same goes for anyone who wants to quote "Help" this person, but who doesnt have a clue about what they are talking about other than some impulsive reaction to phone a hospital on his behalf out of some false understanding of Christian charity.

    You dont love your neibhour by sending him to prison.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 10:03:42 AM »
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  • If you really want answers about what you should do regarding this man, then talk to me in private.
    I know more about this field than anyone on this forum put together, and I have had a "rough ride" and I know where he has been and what the solution to it is.

    For him to get ECT would be to torture him. You think he has had enough of life now? Wait until he gets ECT. What the doctors are trying to do is to suppress his independent will and make him malliable and a life long customer. They are trying to BREAK him and they will not stop until he is a zombie who accepts the GUILT placed on him by doctors.

    Its all about breaking his will. And subjugating him to the doctors.
    You do not quote "HELP" him by helping him to serve your will.
    He is an independent human being who has a divine right to dignity and freedom from others.
    His purpose in life is not to be a life long reciever of your quote "Help",
    if you think you are helping him by reducing him to the level of an overgrown baby, then you are no friend of his.

    I find it hard to do penance for physical health reasons but I will do penance for him today.
    May God help him, and give him his life back. Or at least may God give him more independence than he has now and the grace to endure his terrible sufferings at the hands of others and society.
     :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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    « Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 11:55:17 AM »
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  • Soulgaurd sounds as if he speaks from experience, and I don't think his viewpoint should be discounted. This would be a horrible decision to have to make. Prayers for the OP.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 15, 2014, 08:01:59 PM »
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  • Thank you for all prayers, feedback and offers of private messaging, thank you particularly to Soulguard for his heroic offering of penance. I believe that will do more good than any talking.

    I have been able to speak on the phone for the first time since I got this. Asking could we meet up I was told it would be fine as long as there is no talk of religion. "I am happy as an atheist, I despise the Catholic Church etc."

    It seems that there is nothing now but prayer and penance.



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    « Reply #11 on: March 17, 2014, 01:38:56 AM »
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  • Happy as an atheist?

    No, he's depressed.

    You might want to point out that psychological disconnect.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 11:41:34 AM »
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  • Under no circuмstances should you allow someone you know to go through with this barbaric procedure.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 01:22:39 AM »
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  • Would that I was able tp prevent my friend from this foolish and dangerous approach. Pray for a breakthrough, please.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 19, 2014, 08:41:07 AM »
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    Would that I was able tp prevent my friend from this foolish and dangerous approach. Pray for a breakthrough, please.


    It is not his choice anymore. He is a slave and life long customer now. The psych has authority to make this decision for him. Its all wrong. This is the root of his problems. He is treated like a pet dog and gets his humanity anaylized with clinical scrutiny, and he has lost faith in humanity, just as I also have.

    He thinks Christianity is based on love thy neighbour, but if he truly wants help he will turn to God and develop a supernatural faith, not a natural sentiment masquerading as Catholicism. Many Catholics have false faith. He probably wont think independently because the psych is the boss of his life. I feel pity for him. Been there done that. Thank God I never got ECT because it causes memory loss, and my painful memories at the hands of psych services and family and others are to me a treasure, because the truth of the world is in them. You cant say that we are not all like the psych services, because we ARE. Only by God's grace are we truly good. He sees evil everywhere and is suspicious from experience. He doesnt trust anyone, maybe not even God. It will be a long process. If u want to help him you are in for the long haul.