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Effeminate lace albs
« on: June 21, 2019, 02:59:43 PM »
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    • It seems hypocritical that effeminacy is condemned while at the same time the priests wear albs with lace; it looks totally effeminate.

    Ever since I saw these albs with lace, the thought immediately came to my mind, and I would honestly not know what to say if someone made this objection.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2019, 03:12:25 PM »
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2019, 03:34:04 PM »
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    • Was Michaelangelo effeminate for painting the Sistine chapel?  Just because something is beautiful and artistic doesn't mean it's effeminate to recognize or enjoy it.  Effeminacy is choosing luxury and ease at the expense of labors and hard work.  The beauties of the liturgy are for the purpose of honoring God, not for pleasing the sights of men.  Big difference.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2019, 04:01:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 21, 2019, 03:12:25 PM

    Do you see this? This may not look like much to you, but this is the ideal male figure. 
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2019, 05:12:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 21, 2019, 02:59:43 PM
    It seems hypocritical that effeminacy is condemned while at the same time the priests wear albs with lace; it looks totally effeminate.

    Ever since I saw these albs with lace, the thought immediately came to my mind, and I would honestly not know what to say if someone made this objection.
    Would a man make this post in the anonymous section? To post this in the anonymous section seems effeminate to me.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2019, 06:25:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 21, 2019, 02:59:43 PM
    It seems hypocritical that effeminacy is condemned while at the same time the priests wear albs with lace; it looks totally effeminate.

    Ever since I saw these albs with lace, the thought immediately came to my mind, and I would honestly not know what to say if someone made this objection.
    Give me a break, the Church has used them for centuries. You seem to be looking for problems.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2019, 06:51:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 21, 2019, 03:34:04 PM
    Was Michaelangelo effeminate for painting the Sistine chapel?

    He was about as effeminate as a man can get  :laugh1:
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2019, 06:53:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 21, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
    Give me a break, the Church has used them for centuries. You seem to be looking for problems.

    The one that +Lefebvre is wearing is probably not what OP had in mind.  I had a bad experience with excessively lacey surplices at STAS -- it was mostly the future SSJ crowd that was very big into these.  We're talking lacey to the point of looking like women's lingerie, not what +Lefebvre was wearing.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 07:04:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 21, 2019, 06:53:28 PM
    The one that +Lefebvre is wearing is probably not what OP had in mind.  I had a bad experience with excessively lacey surplices at STAS -- it was mostly the future SSJ crowd that was very big into these.  We're talking lacey to the point of looking like women's lingerie, not what +Lefebvre was wearing.
    Do you have any pictures as examples? I'm not really sure what you mean.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2019, 07:09:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on June 21, 2019, 07:04:29 PM
    Do you have any pictures as examples? I'm not really sure what you mean.

    No, I didn't take pictures, but it was like this (and worse ... imagine the top solid part not being there and more floral patterns all the way up and down) --



    The entire Urrutigoity cabal wore them and insisted on wearing them.
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2019, 07:14:36 PM »
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    • Reminds me as well of the ICK priests I came across during vocational travels.

    For the SSJ, full length English surplices were the soup de jour too. I still have one from my aborted attempt to join them.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2019, 07:29:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 21, 2019, 06:53:28 PM
    The one that +Lefebvre is wearing is probably not what OP had in mind.  I had a bad experience with excessively lacey surplices at STAS -- it was mostly the future SSJ crowd that was very big into these.  We're talking lacey to the point of looking like women's lingerie, not what +Lefebvre was wearing.
    Ok, if it was that egregious, I might agree. Look at this, however.....

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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #12 on: June 21, 2019, 07:45:26 PM »
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    • One of Saint Pius X:

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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #13 on: June 21, 2019, 07:47:44 PM »
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    Re: Effeminate lace albs
    « Reply #14 on: June 21, 2019, 08:44:40 PM »
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    • I think there’s also the part being played in who the man is wearing the lace. St Pius X and Archbishop Lefebvre were men. Urrutigoity and co are floral upside and down in their personalities ... and actions. 
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