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Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2025, 04:58:37 PM »
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  • Thought I would comment since I have experience in the matter. I also choose to kindly stand up for Catholics that face humiliation by being called “damaged goods.” We can be good priests. We can be good Religious. We can be good spouses and parents. God gives certain crosses to those that carry it well. Only He knows why such crosses aren’t given to other people.
    Yes, people with pasts can change and be good people. However, people who aren’t “damaged goods” may not want other damaged goods because that’s a liability. It’s the same reason why someone who’s a virgin wants another virgin to marry. It’s what it is when you have a past. And you aren’t immune to your past or how you grew up. 

    To answer OP’s question, if you are a child of divorce, that’s not your fault. But you are responsible for your own actions. It could go a few ways, the divorce disgusts the child and they vow never to get a divorce and work on the marriage. This might be rare for many people. But most people who have divorced parents will eventually divorce themselves or seek broken people as their spouse. The last way is that they never marry and stay single. So it can depend on the individual themselves. 

    But a bad marriage can also negatively affect children and that could lead to a divorce. If their family is dysfunctional and that’s all they know. 


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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #16 on: October 15, 2025, 06:10:47 PM »
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  • Yes, people with pasts can change and be good people. However, people who aren’t “damaged goods” may not want other damaged goods because that’s a liability. It’s the same reason why someone who’s a virgin wants another virgin to marry. It’s what it is when you have a past. And you aren’t immune to your past or how you grew up.

    To answer OP’s question, if you are a child of divorce, that’s not your fault. But you are responsible for your own actions. It could go a few ways, the divorce disgusts the child and they vow never to get a divorce and work on the marriage. This might be rare for many people. But most people who have divorced parents will eventually divorce themselves or seek broken people as their spouse. The last way is that they never marry and stay single. So it can depend on the individual themselves.

    But a bad marriage can also negatively affect children and that could lead to a divorce. If their family is dysfunctional and that’s all they know.


    I was thinking the same thing.

    Single motherhood is another one. Maybe it was the husband's fault (maybe he ran off). But it's still not ideal, still going to cause problems for some guys (to raise another living man's child), etc. It's another "is what it is". But even if the husband ran off -- didn't the woman choose him? Should she have seen the sign(s) earlier that he would do this? In the end, she should take responsibility for her actions. Yes, even if she waited till marriage and always had honorable intentions. She still should take responsibility for who she married, and her current situation (being a single mom). At the very least, she shouldn't be angry or resentful towards any men who aren't interested in becoming a step-parent. That is their choice. Just like marrying her husband was her choice.

    There is an epidemic of "blame anyone but myself" or "I am the victim" nowadays, especially in females. Taking responsibility is the answer.


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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #17 on: October 16, 2025, 06:56:46 AM »
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  • Divorce does damage the children.

    But what about if the father of the children is abusive?  What if the mother leaves the home with her children because she's being abused and doesn't want to abandon her children?  Because knowing if she leaves, she'll never be allowed to see them again...What if DCS/CPS is involved?  The mother has the children, and the father refuses to cooperate with the state, to the point of not going to visits?  Nor is he even attempting to support the children.  

    This is happening to me.  I felt compelled to file for divorce in order to be able to stay with my children, and to be able to get the CPS people back out of our lives.

    In my state, to file for a legal seperation requires the signature of both parties, and agreement for the custody of the children.  That's not ever going to happen.  I spoke with 3 priests, one of whom is a resistance priest, and checked with 2 other resistance priests (all associated with Bishop Zendejas in some way) and they all stated that in this situation it was allowable.  

    NOT acceptable.  ALLOWABLE.  

    Yes.  It does damage the children.  Yes.  People make fun of them.  I have to be extremely vigilant about my behavior in order not to cause scandal.  In my case, I tell the children that we ARE still married.  Absolutely.  I look at it as the state is dissolving the legal paperwork on it's end, it's not dissolving or breaking any vows made before God.  Those still stand.  

    Does that make it right?  No.  Is it still an inherent evil destroying society?  Yes.  Am I partaking in that evil?  Yes.  But what is the alternative?  This way I will have full care of my children, some means of guaranteeing he will provide for his children, and protection for them.

    If anyone has any better suggestions, please feel free to state them here.  I would love to get out of this mess without finalizing anything.

    Regarding the children:
    1.  They saw their father abuse their mother verbally, mentally, emotionally.  Name calling, isolation, yelling, denying medical care, telling me I'm the devil...they heard and saw all this.
    2.  They saw their paternal grandparents use religion as a weapon to further enable their son's behavior.  They heard their grandparents attempt to cast devils out of me, blaspheme the Catholic Church
    3.  They were told they would go to Hell if they followed and listened to me.  

    My children displayed the following effects of witnessing this trauma, all within a 4 month time period:

    -depression, nightmares, bedwetting, bowel and bladder incontinence, regression on potty-training, anxiety, sleeplessness, selective mutism, lying, increased physical aggression, menstrual spotting in my 9 year old, loss of appetite, etc.

    They told me they didn't feel safe, they wanted to leave, they were going to leave as soon as they were 18, they wanted to run away, they hated it there, they don't trust anyone, they never want to get married.

    Yes.  My children are "damaged goods" as Matthew so bluntly put it.  

    A legal divorce adds a level of protection that mere seperation doesn't provide.  I tried it first, and it didn't work.  

    I guess my point in this post is, YES divorce is always an evil.  YES it does affect the children.  But sometimes the children are affected already, anyway.  


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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #18 on: October 16, 2025, 08:38:29 AM »
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  • Divorce does damage the children.

    But what about if the father of the children is abusive?  What if the mother leaves the home with her children because she's being abused and doesn't want to abandon her children?  Because knowing if she leaves, she'll never be allowed to see them again...What if DCS/CPS is involved?  The mother has the children, and the father refuses to cooperate with the state, to the point of not going to visits?  Nor is he even attempting to support the children. 

    This is happening to me.  I felt compelled to file for divorce in order to be able to stay with my children, and to be able to get the CPS people back out of our lives.

    In my state, to file for a legal seperation requires the signature of both parties, and agreement for the custody of the children.  That's not ever going to happen.  I spoke with 3 priests, one of whom is a resistance priest, and checked with 2 other resistance priests (all associated with Bishop Zendejas in some way) and they all stated that in this situation it was allowable. 

    NOT acceptable.  ALLOWABLE. 

    Yes.  It does damage the children.  Yes.  People make fun of them.  I have to be extremely vigilant about my behavior in order not to cause scandal.  In my case, I tell the children that we ARE still married.  Absolutely.  I look at it as the state is dissolving the legal paperwork on it's end, it's not dissolving or breaking any vows made before God.  Those still stand. 

    Does that make it right?  No.  Is it still an inherent evil destroying society?  Yes.  Am I partaking in that evil?  Yes.  But what is the alternative?  This way I will have full care of my children, some means of guaranteeing he will provide for his children, and protection for them.

    If anyone has any better suggestions, please feel free to state them here.  I would love to get out of this mess without finalizing anything.

    Regarding the children:
    1.  They saw their father abuse their mother verbally, mentally, emotionally.  Name calling, isolation, yelling, denying medical care, telling me I'm the devil...they heard and saw all this.
    2.  They saw their paternal grandparents use religion as a weapon to further enable their son's behavior.  They heard their grandparents attempt to cast devils out of me, blaspheme the Catholic Church
    3.  They were told they would go to Hell if they followed and listened to me. 

    My children displayed the following effects of witnessing this trauma, all within a 4 month time period:

    -depression, nightmares, bedwetting, bowel and bladder incontinence, regression on potty-training, anxiety, sleeplessness, selective mutism, lying, increased physical aggression, menstrual spotting in my 9 year old, loss of appetite, etc.

    They told me they didn't feel safe, they wanted to leave, they were going to leave as soon as they were 18, they wanted to run away, they hated it there, they don't trust anyone, they never want to get married.

    Yes.  My children are "damaged goods" as Matthew so bluntly put it. 

    A legal divorce adds a level of protection that mere seperation doesn't provide.  I tried it first, and it didn't work. 

    I guess my point in this post is, YES divorce is always an evil.  YES it does affect the children.  But sometimes the children are affected already, anyway. 

    My sympathy and :pray: for you and your children, especially in such a difficult position. I think the sad truth is that there ARE situations where a legal divorce is the least bad option left to take. https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/traditional-catholics-who-have-divorced/msg840595/#msg840595

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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #19 on: October 16, 2025, 08:34:38 PM »
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  • Divorce does damage the children.

    But what about if the father of the children is abusive?  What if the mother leaves the home with her children because she's being abused and doesn't want to abandon her children?  Because knowing if she leaves, she'll never be allowed to see them again...What if DCS/CPS is involved?  The mother has the children, and the father refuses to cooperate with the state, to the point of not going to visits?  Nor is he even attempting to support the children. 

    This is happening to me.  I felt compelled to file for divorce in order to be able to stay with my children, and to be able to get the CPS people back out of our lives.

    In my state, to file for a legal seperation requires the signature of both parties, and agreement for the custody of the children.  That's not ever going to happen.  I spoke with 3 priests, one of whom is a resistance priest, and checked with 2 other resistance priests (all associated with Bishop Zendejas in some way) and they all stated that in this situation it was allowable. 

    NOT acceptable.  ALLOWABLE. 

    Yes.  It does damage the children.  Yes.  People make fun of them.  I have to be extremely vigilant about my behavior in order not to cause scandal.  In my case, I tell the children that we ARE still married.  Absolutely.  I look at it as the state is dissolving the legal paperwork on it's end, it's not dissolving or breaking any vows made before God.  Those still stand. 

    Does that make it right?  No.  Is it still an inherent evil destroying society?  Yes.  Am I partaking in that evil?  Yes.  But what is the alternative?  This way I will have full care of my children, some means of guaranteeing he will provide for his children, and protection for them.

    If anyone has any better suggestions, please feel free to state them here.  I would love to get out of this mess without finalizing anything.

    Regarding the children:
    1.  They saw their father abuse their mother verbally, mentally, emotionally.  Name calling, isolation, yelling, denying medical care, telling me I'm the devil...they heard and saw all this.
    2.  They saw their paternal grandparents use religion as a weapon to further enable their son's behavior.  They heard their grandparents attempt to cast devils out of me, blaspheme the Catholic Church
    3.  They were told they would go to Hell if they followed and listened to me. 

    My children displayed the following effects of witnessing this trauma, all within a 4 month time period:

    -depression, nightmares, bedwetting, bowel and bladder incontinence, regression on potty-training, anxiety, sleeplessness, selective mutism, lying, increased physical aggression, menstrual spotting in my 9 year old, loss of appetite, etc.

    They told me they didn't feel safe, they wanted to leave, they were going to leave as soon as they were 18, they wanted to run away, they hated it there, they don't trust anyone, they never want to get married.

    Yes.  My children are "damaged goods" as Matthew so bluntly put it. 

    A legal divorce adds a level of protection that mere seperation doesn't provide.  I tried it first, and it didn't work. 

    I guess my point in this post is, YES divorce is always an evil.  YES it does affect the children.  But sometimes the children are affected already, anyway. 
    How did CPS get involved? 

    Was your husband always like this? How long did you know him for before getting married? 


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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #20 on: October 17, 2025, 08:22:13 AM »
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  • Divorce does damage the children.

    But what about if the father of the children is abusive?  What if the mother leaves the home with her children because she's being abused and doesn't want to abandon her children?  Because knowing if she leaves, she'll never be allowed to see them again...What if DCS/CPS is involved?  The mother has the children, and the father refuses to cooperate with the state, to the point of not going to visits?  Nor is he even attempting to support the children. 

    This is happening to me.  I felt compelled to file for divorce in order to be able to stay with my children, and to be able to get the CPS people back out of our lives.

    In my state, to file for a legal seperation requires the signature of both parties, and agreement for the custody of the children.  That's not ever going to happen.  I spoke with 3 priests, one of whom is a resistance priest, and checked with 2 other resistance priests (all associated with Bishop Zendejas in some way) and they all stated that in this situation it was allowable. 

    NOT acceptable.  ALLOWABLE. 

    Yes.  It does damage the children.  Yes.  People make fun of them.  I have to be extremely vigilant about my behavior in order not to cause scandal.  In my case, I tell the children that we ARE still married.  Absolutely.  I look at it as the state is dissolving the legal paperwork on it's end, it's not dissolving or breaking any vows made before God.  Those still stand. 

    Does that make it right?  No.  Is it still an inherent evil destroying society?  Yes.  Am I partaking in that evil?  Yes.  But what is the alternative?  This way I will have full care of my children, some means of guaranteeing he will provide for his children, and protection for them.

    If anyone has any better suggestions, please feel free to state them here.  I would love to get out of this mess without finalizing anything.

    Regarding the children:
    1.  They saw their father abuse their mother verbally, mentally, emotionally.  Name calling, isolation, yelling, denying medical care, telling me I'm the devil...they heard and saw all this.
    2.  They saw their paternal grandparents use religion as a weapon to further enable their son's behavior.  They heard their grandparents attempt to cast devils out of me, blaspheme the Catholic Church
    3.  They were told they would go to Hell if they followed and listened to me. 

    My children displayed the following effects of witnessing this trauma, all within a 4 month time period:

    -depression, nightmares, bedwetting, bowel and bladder incontinence, regression on potty-training, anxiety, sleeplessness, selective mutism, lying, increased physical aggression, menstrual spotting in my 9 year old, loss of appetite, etc.

    They told me they didn't feel safe, they wanted to leave, they were going to leave as soon as they were 18, they wanted to run away, they hated it there, they don't trust anyone, they never want to get married.

    Yes.  My children are "damaged goods" as Matthew so bluntly put it. 

    A legal divorce adds a level of protection that mere seperation doesn't provide.  I tried it first, and it didn't work. 

    I guess my point in this post is, YES divorce is always an evil.  YES it does affect the children.  But sometimes the children are affected already, anyway. 

    Is your husband and his family non-Catholic?  What is their ethnic background?

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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #21 on: October 17, 2025, 01:07:09 PM »
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  • Divorce does damage the children.

    But what about if the father of the children is abusive?  What if the mother leaves the home with her children because she's being abused and doesn't want to abandon her children?  Because knowing if she leaves, she'll never be allowed to see them again...What if DCS/CPS is involved?  The mother has the children, and the father refuses to cooperate with the state, to the point of not going to visits?  Nor is he even attempting to support the children. 

    This is happening to me.  I felt compelled to file for divorce in order to be able to stay with my children, and to be able to get the CPS people back out of our lives.

    In my state, to file for a legal seperation requires the signature of both parties, and agreement for the custody of the children.  That's not ever going to happen.  I spoke with 3 priests, one of whom is a resistance priest, and checked with 2 other resistance priests (all associated with Bishop Zendejas in some way) and they all stated that in this situation it was allowable. 

    NOT acceptable.  ALLOWABLE. 

    Yes.  It does damage the children.  Yes.  People make fun of them.  I have to be extremely vigilant about my behavior in order not to cause scandal.  In my case, I tell the children that we ARE still married.  Absolutely.  I look at it as the state is dissolving the legal paperwork on it's end, it's not dissolving or breaking any vows made before God.  Those still stand. 

    Does that make it right?  No.  Is it still an inherent evil destroying society?  Yes.  Am I partaking in that evil?  Yes.  But what is the alternative?  This way I will have full care of my children, some means of guaranteeing he will provide for his children, and protection for them.

    If anyone has any better suggestions, please feel free to state them here.  I would love to get out of this mess without finalizing anything.

    Regarding the children:
    1.  They saw their father abuse their mother verbally, mentally, emotionally.  Name calling, isolation, yelling, denying medical care, telling me I'm the devil...they heard and saw all this.
    2.  They saw their paternal grandparents use religion as a weapon to further enable their son's behavior.  They heard their grandparents attempt to cast devils out of me, blaspheme the Catholic Church
    3.  They were told they would go to Hell if they followed and listened to me. 

    My children displayed the following effects of witnessing this trauma, all within a 4 month time period:

    -depression, nightmares, bedwetting, bowel and bladder incontinence, regression on potty-training, anxiety, sleeplessness, selective mutism, lying, increased physical aggression, menstrual spotting in my 9 year old, loss of appetite, etc.

    They told me they didn't feel safe, they wanted to leave, they were going to leave as soon as they were 18, they wanted to run away, they hated it there, they don't trust anyone, they never want to get married.

    Yes.  My children are "damaged goods" as Matthew so bluntly put it. 

    A legal divorce adds a level of protection that mere seperation doesn't provide.  I tried it first, and it didn't work. 

    I guess my point in this post is, YES divorce is always an evil.  YES it does affect the children.  But sometimes the children are affected already, anyway. 
    I don't think it is evil since you are still viewing yourself as married. You are using divorce as per the law to protect you and your children.  You are absolutely in my prayers!

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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #22 on: October 17, 2025, 03:19:06 PM »
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  • Hey guys,

    This is the OP here.

    Thanks for all your thoughts on divorce and the effects it has on children and their courtships and future marriages when they grow up.

    Bishop Williamson used to talk frequently about nature and grace and how are nature is broken today.

    If grace flows into a broken vase that is nature, it wont have as good effect. This is what I was looking to hear more talk about, and you did a great job at confirming my thoughts about this issue.

    In my case, I had dated a traditional girl recently from family whose parents divorced when they she was still a child. She crashed/flaked out of the whole thing over nothing and it was really puzzling to me. She is a traditional Catholic.

    I tend always with dating not to ever be too hard on people, because I myself am a convert from Novus Ordo (as was she). But really, at the end of the the day, her instability had to be put down to her troubled background. As a Catholic, I of course acknowledge that people can live good lives and fall into the same mistakes as their parents, but the person has to accept that it is going to be more difficult for them, and they will have to struggle. Admitting that (as with other situations like adultering/addict parents), means they can be honest with their potential spouse, and this is the first step in humility.

    I saw in my ex (and there was another one years before that in a similar situation), a wildness and readiness to just drop a really good traditional marriage over the slightest difficulty, despite all her traditional trappings. The only thing that was different between us was our parents marriages. Very sad.

    It has made me, like I said, deeply grateful that my parents stuck together. It has given me great hope that I can have a happy marriage someday. And, I like to hope I will not be too flaky when things dont always go my way, because that's what life is. A struggle. So if you are married and reading this, please stick with it! It will always be worth it to give your children a sense of hope and optismism in their lives.

    Don't the spiritual writers say that marriage is a symbol of our union with God after all? And what a wonderful thing it is. A Sacrament that gives the very life of Jesus Christ Himself!

    God bless you all!






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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #23 on: October 17, 2025, 08:36:39 PM »
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  • You are very wise.  I wish you the best in finding a spouse!

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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #24 on: October 17, 2025, 09:25:24 PM »
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  • In my case, I had dated a traditional girl recently from family whose parents divorced when they she was still a child. She crashed/flaked out of the whole thing over nothing and it was really puzzling to me. She is a traditional Catholic.
    Did she meet someone else? 

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    « Reply #25 on: October 18, 2025, 02:29:11 AM »
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  • Did she meet someone else?
    Lol no.
    She's a virgin.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 18, 2025, 02:35:18 AM »
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  • Lol no.
    She's a virgin.
    1. you don't know that
    2. girls are always looking for an upgrade

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    Re: Effects of divorce on courtships and future marriages
    « Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 05:55:38 PM »
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  • MAYBE they just weren't compatible.

    Sheesh.

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  • MAYBE they just weren't compatible.

    Sheesh.
    Mental stability is important in a woman. 
    Divorce destabilizes and warps judgment.
    Don't try to equivocate by talking about "compatibility". 

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  • Question for men:  if your wife was threatening divorce, would you capitulate to her demands for whatever it is she wants to avoid divorce or would you stand your ground on your principles and let the divorce go through but not cooperate?