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« on: September 15, 2014, 03:22:43 PM »
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    • What is your opinion on dueling?  Is risking one's life to preserve one's honor compatible with Catholic teaching?
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    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 03:24:33 PM »
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    • The Church ruled dueling a mortal sin.  Catholics are forbidden to duel.  I don't think this applies to the sport of fencing.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 03:28:45 PM »
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    The Church ruled dueling a mortal sin.  Catholics are forbidden to duel.  I don't think this applies to the sport of fencing.


    But if one is not prepared to defend one's honor with one's life, then the whole concept of honor goes out the window.  Is that what the Church teaches?
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    « Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 03:30:42 PM »
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    The Church ruled dueling a mortal sin.  Catholics are forbidden to duel.  I don't think this applies to the sport of fencing.


    But if one is not prepared to defend one's honor with one's life, then the whole concept of honor goes out the window.  Is that what the Church teaches?


    You confuse "honor" with pride.
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    Duel
    « Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 04:30:58 PM »
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    •  :light-saber: :nunchaku:        :dancing-banana:
    It's true that participating, facilitating, or being a willing spectator at a duel incurs automatic excommunication.  But who wants to duel whom?
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    « Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 04:34:23 PM »
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    The Church ruled dueling a mortal sin.  Catholics are forbidden to duel.  I don't think this applies to the sport of fencing.


    But if one is not prepared to defend one's honor with one's life, then the whole concept of honor goes out the window. Is that what the Church teaches?


    Plainly your concept of honor is utterly malformed. Do you take your principles and your moral and ethical guidelines from Hollywood movies? Or are you simply a troll?
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    « Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 04:50:53 PM »
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    What???

    And we just bought a starter set so the children could study fencing!

    Is it a mortal sin to study and learn to fence?

    p.s. didn't dueling involve pistols? :detective:
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    « Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 05:34:57 PM »
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    • Where is the Church teaching on that?

    a reliable source please.

    And fencing cannot possibly be a mortal sin !

    since when defending ones honor is a sin? wish the duels were back.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 06:02:32 PM »
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    • You do your own homework.  I SAID fencing is.not a problem.   Talk to a priest.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 06:04:06 PM »
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    You do your own homework.  I SAID fencing is.not a problem.   Talk to a priest.



    Then what is the purpose of threads like this if you can't back up what you say with reliable sources.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 06:41:44 PM »
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    • Chapter XIX
    Dueling Is Punished With The Severest Penalties

    The abominable practice of dueling, introduced by the contrivance of the devil, that by the cruel death of the body he may bring about also the destruction of the soul, should be utterly eradicated from the Christian world. Emperor, kings, dukes, princes, marquises, counts, and temporal rulers by whatever other name known, who shall within their territories grant a place for dueling between Christians, shall be <eo ipso> excommunicated and shall be understood to be deprived of the jurisdiction and dominion obtained from the Church over any city, castle or locality in which or at which they have permitted the duel to take place, and if they are fiefs they shall forthwith revert to their direct rulers. Those who entered the combat as well as those who are called their seconds shall incur the penalty of excommunication, the confiscation of all their property, and perpetual infamy, and are in conformity with the sacred canons to be punished as homicides, and if they are killed in the combat they shall be forever deprived of Christian burial.[81] Those also who give advice in the matter of a duel, whether in questions of right or of fact, or in any other way whatever persuade anyone thereto, as also those who are present, shall be bound by the fetters of excommunication and everlasting malediction; any privilege whatsoever or evil custom, even though immemorial, no notwithstanding.

    The Council of Trent, Session XXV. 4 December, 1563

    Defend your honor some other way. Causa finita est.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 16, 2014, 06:27:07 AM »
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    Chapter XIX
    Dueling Is Punished With The Severest Penalties

    The abominable practice of dueling, introduced by the contrivance of the devil, that by the cruel death of the body he may bring about also the destruction of the soul, should be utterly eradicated from the Christian world. Emperor, kings, dukes, princes, marquises, counts, and temporal rulers by whatever other name known, who shall within their territories grant a place for dueling between Christians, shall be <eo ipso> excommunicated and shall be understood to be deprived of the jurisdiction and dominion obtained from the Church over any city, castle or locality in which or at which they have permitted the duel to take place, and if they are fiefs they shall forthwith revert to their direct rulers. Those who entered the combat as well as those who are called their seconds shall incur the penalty of excommunication, the confiscation of all their property, and perpetual infamy, and are in conformity with the sacred canons to be punished as homicides, and if they are killed in the combat they shall be forever deprived of Christian burial.[81] Those also who give advice in the matter of a duel, whether in questions of right or of fact, or in any other way whatever persuade anyone thereto, as also those who are present, shall be bound by the fetters of excommunication and everlasting malediction; any privilege whatsoever or evil custom, even though immemorial, no notwithstanding.

    The Council of Trent, Session XXV. 4 December, 1563

    Defend your honor some other way. Causa finita est.


    Well that pretty much settles it.  I don't think the Church could have been more clear or direct.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 16, 2014, 07:26:30 AM »
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    • I wish that, whoever wrote that docuмent above had taught Wojtlya to write.
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