Author Topic: What is the most hereticl think Benedict XVI has written or said? (Read 2830 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #30 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:12:51 AM »

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Don't throw stones in a glass house

I'm not playing games. He is. He's asking a question not out of a sincere desire for an answer but in order to bait responses.

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. You are posting anonymously too.

That's right, but I have much better reason. I'm not trolling. I'm honestly answering questions. The person trolling knows where to find such quotes

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If you were good willed, you would have provided those quotes himself.

I am good-willed, I answered the question. The person asking wasn't interested in the answer, but in finding a pretext to attack.

You are not good-willed, but malicious. You are here to insult people.

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If you have the time to respond to these posts, surely you could copy and paste something, or type it up yourself.

First I make sure I'm dealing with someone honestly asking the question.

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The fact that you keep judging and even giving thumbs down to the person's concession that Ratzinger is a heretic shows that you are in these internet discussion merely for the sake of satisfying some sort of egomaniacal pathology of yours.

This proves that your real purpose here. It's not to discuss the Faith, but to damage reputations. While hiding your own identity

Asking dishonest, baiting questions which is the MO of "curioustrad" is not about honest discussion, but about engaging in baiting.

He is clearly malevolent, and frankly quite dull, especially that last bit about Churchill and Bishop Williamson being on the way back into an authority position in the SSPX.

Those are either the ravings of a delusional or they are words said by someone with a reckless regard for the truth.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #31 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:19:04 AM »

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Boy, you really need to grow up.

Tell you what, I'll stop calling people dishonest when they stop acting like transparent instigators and trolls.

For example, the egotistical "curioustrad" - asking for Father Pfeiffer to respond to his question on this forum.

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Don't let your personality disorders and insatiable need to feed your ego blind you.

Yes, I get angry with trolls.

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The guy even conceded that Ratzinger is a heretic, and yet you still persist in judging this person.

How do you know? Who's who? This person isn't interested in a good-faith discussion.

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You are just proof that it is people like you who are making sure people remain in the N. O.

People in the NO don't troll the anonymous sub-forum.

You're clearly a jerk who won't say these things on the main forum because your agenda is too transparent there.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:33:45 AM »

Pharisees ask disingenuous questions anonymously to try to trip others up.

Those who are with the SSPX have a bad reputation for using dishonest methods to damage reputations.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #33 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:49:09 AM »

dis·in·gen·u·ous

Adjective
Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #34 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:00:13 AM »

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Can you provide concrete examples from Benedict XVI's writings, and explain how they are heretical (i.e., determine how they are contrary to a dogma of divinely revealed and Catholic faith, and proposed by the Church as such) and can you cite the dogma or doctrine that such examples contradicts and how it does so?

Thanks.

Guys,

Please just answer this guy's question.

If he's just here to bait, you'll know soon enough.

I myself want others to quote Benedict XVI's heresies because I don't want to spend the time nor the money reading his writings but I may have to do so anyway.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #35 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:05:38 AM »

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Can you provide concrete examples from Benedict XVI's writings, and explain how they are heretical (i.e., determine how they are contrary to a dogma of divinely revealed and Catholic faith, and proposed by the Church as such) and can you cite the dogma or doctrine that such examples contradicts and how it does so?

Thanks.

Guys,

Please just answer this guy's question.

If he's just here to bait, you'll know soon enough.

I myself want others to quote Benedict XVI's heresies because I don't want to spend the time nor the money reading his writings but I may have to do so anyway.

I provided some heretical quotes from Benedict on page four.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #36 on:** January 29, 2013, 04:08:28 PM »

:shocked: I had never read that he had said this, about the resurrected bodies, I mean. Had to google it.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #37 on:** January 29, 2013, 06:49:51 PM »

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Benedict XVI, Zenit News story, Sept. 5, 2000: “We are in agreement that a Jєω, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…”

False.

This is addressed to the guy who is saying that context is everything.

What would be the context for this quote?

Only way to salvage this quote would be that the person quoting it left off the part where this was all rejected.

Did Benedict XVI say "does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved by the tradition of the Church and the most sacred Second Vatican Council, denies this and proclaims broadly that outside the Church there is no Salvation and he who does not acknowledge Christ as His Lord and Savior is forever damned." ---- If Benedict XVI finished off that sentence in that fashion then I do think we shouldn't take quotes out of context.

So, what was the context?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:06:31 PM »

I think you're grasping at straws with that argument. Considering the fact that Benedict prays in ѕуηαgσgυєs and is a supporter of the heretical docuмent "Nostra Aetate", I highly doubt that was his context.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #39 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:02:02 AM »

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So, what was the context?

Well, if you want context, you might try looking at the new Catechism, which claims to present the faith in its entirety. In general, I think that is a better though perhaps lengthier approach to forming an informed judgment than reading selected excerpts from the Pope's books. The Catechism has some defects that will become apparent, but it still reaffirms many of the basic truths of the faith, and most conservative Catholics today will get their faith directly from this Catechism, so it's worth going through if you intend to study in depth what the Pope really teaches.

On the subject of no salvation apart from Christ and outside the Church,

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"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2013, 02:15:41 PM »

Benedict XVI has written a vast array of heretical things.

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