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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on November 12, 2025, 08:23:41 AM
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Have a 27 month old who’s apparently hit the “terrible twos”. Really debating if we should just use corporal punishment at this point because the disobedience is too much.
A lot of people say to use all these “gentle” stuff and “talking to the child” etc.
But I really wonder if our ancestors used that kind of stuff, or just took out the rod and gave the child a little something when misbehaving.
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Yes.
Toddlers are pre-rational. You cannot appeal to their reason.
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yes,
They'll live.
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Only with boys. I don't believe corporal punishment should ever be used on girls no matter how rotten they behave. I believe social isolation will work better. BTW, I have no daughters so no direct experience.
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YES! and the sooner the better.
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Have a 27 month old who’s apparently hit the “terrible twos”. Really debating if we should just use corporal punishment at this point because the disobedience is too much.
A lot of people say to use all these “gentle” stuff and “talking to the child” etc.
But I really wonder if our ancestors used that kind of stuff, or just took out the rod and gave the child a little something when misbehaving.
"Took out the rod"??? Hell no. A quick swat on the diaper with a loud "no" is enough for a 2-year-old.
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Only with boys. I don't believe corporal punishment should ever be used on girls no matter how rotten they behave. I believe social isolation will work better. BTW, I have no daughters so no direct experience.
Absolutely agree, never corporal punishment for girls. My daughters never did anything that made me ever even consider this option!! My sons on the other hand, I did consider it but found other methods….taking privileges but I think for some boys… it does work. If nothing else does.
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Only with boys. I don't believe corporal punishment should ever be used on girls no matter how rotten they behave. I believe social isolation will work better. BTW, I have no daughters so no direct experience.
you don’t have daughters but you don’t think you should use corporate punishment on girls? :confused:
do you think girls are delicate angels? you’re naive
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Dont tell the op about the Church teaching on the corporal punishment of wives.
It might cause her head to explode...
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If the child is able to act in a manner to show direct defiance, two swift smacks on the bottom are in order. If the bottom is too padded with clothing and diapers for it to feel bad, then smack each palm and firmly, but not furiously say “No!” Or, “Bad!” Never strike in a manner so as to appear out of control or in a rage.
The smacks must be given immediately so the child connects the negative result to the wrong action.
If the child does NOT yet show deliberate defiance, IOW, can not control his actions, simply remove him from the place if in public, distract him, comfort him. If his defiance results in a true injury to himself, no need to punish. He just punished himself.
Be careful what you punish and how. In general, moral offenses, like direct defiance, saying bad words he knows you disapprove, hurting others or pets or property on purpose or out of selfishness, warrant a swift smack or two. But if you give the child “the look” and he self corrects, nod or smile, show your approval. He will learn self-control, self-denial, and to delay gratification.
Never punish a child for mere childishness or hapless faults, but do hold him responsible in a matter of fact manner. Example: He accidentally spills milk. Have him assist you in wiping it up. Don’t get angry. If he spills it on purpose, that’s another matter. He gets two smacks AND helps clean it up. If he repeats it on purpose, demote him to a sippy cup or baby bottle.
Also, if the child doesn’t know a non serious behavior is bad, don’t punish him with corporal punishment. Teach him what to do instead. Example, if he grabs items from others, take his hand, remove the item, and it back and show him what to do. Use your hand to point, not touch, and say, “Please?” The person hands the item over, or, the person shakes his head and says, “Not now” or “No! Not for children, or, “No! Ouch!” I forgot it’s something dangerous like a knife. Often, very young children are not ready to understand sharing without constant, direct adult supervision. If this is the case, take the item, put it away out of sight and reach, say, “Not yet,” or nothing at all. Immediately involve the children in more appropriate activities. Do not punish a young child who acts up for reasons like being overtired, being sick, being frightened. If justly angry, you’ll need to be more of a teacher than an enforcer.
A child must be gently taught from about six months, disciplined non-corporally until he shows self-will, and corporally after that.
In my family, this was the policy. We got smacked by hand on the bottom or palms according to our age, age 2 gets two smacks, age 6 gets six, etc. Our parents used a leather strap, (Dad) or a three sizes of wooden spoons (Mom). Very occasionally, some item need to be substituted, but usually my parents reverted to hands. Once, Mom whipped my bottom with a fresh willow switch. We were hiking in the woods in Connecticut and I shoved my sister into the brook because she called me a rude name. We were never hit in anger or in random places like the face or back, front, legs, feet, etc. Spankings were stopped at the onset of puberty. Corporal punishment then consisted of exercises as in boot camp and manual chores beyond those normally assigned to us. Our parents tried to make them related to the offense. Example, I once used my pogo stick all over the front lawn. You can probably guess the punishment! I had to pay for the flat of sod and carry home, rolled up in a bag tied to my bicycle. It took two afternoons until dark to fill in the holes. I never pogoed in forbidden places again. For more serious offenses, we might get exercises plus two days confined to quarters, (grounded) or a day in the brig (bedroom, no toys, games, limited books) on bread and water. I never got that one, but my sister did. Her offense involved the police and serious moral matters. Our priest was involved at Dad’s requirement. Action was taken to remove her from the evil influencers, at substantial cost, time, and inconvenience to my parents, but there was no repeat.
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That was me.
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you don’t have daughters but you don’t think you should use corporate punishment on girls? :confused:
do you think girls are delicate angels? you’re naive
I was girl for a long time, through age 18 and while living under my parents’ roof on their dime. Delicate angel? Sometimes. Other times, more like a devious demon. My siblings, too! If we deserved it, we got it! After 18, if living home, we were expected to follow our parents’ reasonable rules for adult household members. If unwilling, we were invited to move out! If our outside behavior was seriously immoral and publicly known, even if living elsewhere, we were not invited. This never happened with me, but briefly to my sibling who had a live-in person of the opposite gender. They said, “Come back when you live separately or you’re properly married.” They actually separated and my sibling came to his senses. Spending a lifetime with the person, and worse, with the prospective in-laws, was nothing to look forward to.
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Yes, children before the age of reason need immediate and swift association between bad behavior and "ouch!"
It's the same negative feedback we give dogs and other brute beasts. That sounds awful, but what is the difference, practically, between a 2 year old and a beast? There is no difference. Neither can be reasoned with. Neither has the use of reason. As the child gets older, he will attain the use of reason and then he won't need to be punished like a dog for misbehavior (plus he will not misbehave, knowing his boundaries).
Besides, a spanking doesn't do any long term damage to the dog, or the 2 year old. Both are treated firmly but with due regard not to hurt them. But make no mistake: tough love is the order of the day. It is not the time to let softness and feelings take over.
There are some serious, horrible examples of grown men & women who are literally children in adults bodies. They throw literal temper tantrums. Go watch Youtube or Tiktok. It's extremely sad their parents totally failed in their job.
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Yes. Unfortunately, you've let your child misbehave for more than a year and you're still going to have problems even with corporal punishment.
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you don’t have daughters but you don’t think you should use corporate punishment on girls? :confused:
do you think girls are delicate angels? you’re naive
Because I was beaten as a child and it did not have the effect that Dad was looking for. Girls have thinner skin and bruise very easily. It's hard to explain black eyes to the teacher. Let's just say I don't love my Dad as a result.
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Because I was beaten as a child and it did not have the effect that Dad was looking for. Girls have thinner skin and bruise very easily. It's hard to explain black eyes to the teacher. Let's just say I don't love my Dad as a result.
"Beaten" and "Corporal Punishment" (for a child) are two different things.
Forgive your father.
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The title of this thread is using wrong terminology. Does a two year old need corporal punishment? No. Do they need correcting and small swats on their backside and smacks on the hand? Yes. It doesn't take much.
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Do they need correcting and small swats on their backside and smacks on the hand? Yes. It doesn't take much.
Exactly. Acute response to the pattern of bad behavior.
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No one said beating. Corporal punishment define. I am age 73. Babies learn as soon as they are born. Nuns in orphanages gave a pop on the hip if a child was kicking and fussing to be diaper changed. They learnt. If a child knows what is wrong and does it, you best discipline.
This world took a pop on the butt and called it criminal in the next generation. Now we have parents afraid to discipline. Schools can not discipline without being sued.
children can not learn in a noisy classroom, yet the teachers/change agents, are told just the opposite. When a classroom is disruptive, a teacher/change agent can not teach.
I see disruption on our city street. There is a group of 4 boys ages 6 to 10. Steal fruit, damage it, from the neighbors yard. I the dark of night, on electric powered scooters, no helmets, bare foot and we the driver is to see them? Parents just don't care, they don't. In 1980, being military, a boy on a bouncer in the middle of the street on Air Force base. I, driving, saw a slow down in traffic and the cars going around an object in the street. Yeap! I pulled over, had the child point to his home and we went there. Was the mother surprised, no she wasn't. She said, "If if get hurt it is God's decision.
So, please, discipline, if you don't we all suffer, kids learn nothing. You think things are not so good now, wait til they are older!!!
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No one said beating. Corporal punishment define. I am age 73. Babies learn as soon as they are born. Nuns in orphanages gave a pop on the hip if a child was kicking and fussing to be diaper changed. They learnt. If a child knows what is wrong and does it, you best discipline.
I’m just wondering how else a little baby is to express that his bottom is uncomfortable because his diaper needs changed? Or maybe you are talking about older babies that are fighting a diaper change?
I agree when the baby gets older they should be disciplined but I think it would be cruel and unnatural for a mom (or anyone) to strike a young baby who is communicating a need by crying.
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I would recommend that you forget the "terrible two's" or expressions like that. I feel like they only serve to precondition you expect a bad experience and if you are rather impatient, that may add to the impatience. Sometimes it is not the punishment itself for how the punishment is carried out. A parent who is not calm or patient makes it worse.
By the way tradition in action has some good guides on this for different stages of development. Not just on correction but how to set expectations for the children. This article for example: The Training & Disciplining Children (https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/A078_For.htm)
Do a search for Discipline on their website and you will find many resources on that subject to consider.
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The title of this thread is using wrong terminology. Does a two year old need corporal punishment? No. Do they need correcting and small swats on their backside and smacks on the hand? Yes. It doesn't take much.
Yes. The title of this thread fuels the lies of Catholic-haters.
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"Beaten" and "Corporal Punishment" (for a child) are two different things.
Forgive your father.
You are quite smug.
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You are quite smug.
And this means what
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And this means what
And you, fathers, provoke not your children to anger; but bring them up in the discipline and correction of the Lord.
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"Beaten" and "Corporal Punishment" (for a child) are two different things.
Forgive your father.
Not the person you were responding to. Forgiveness is a choice and, yes, they should choose to forgive....but forgiveness is also a process, a metabolizing, if you will, of the experience. Children especially, do not have the resources to process a lot of what happens to them and it's often not until middle age or later that a person really can work through it. Therefore, tread carefully in this area, do not be quick to diminish or dismiss someone else's experience; act like a mature human being, not a cock-sure blockheaded engineer.
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Punishment for 2's should be a switch to their leg or something.
No one in this thread is saying to "beat" a 2 year old.
Can you emotional women understand this, and stay in your lane please? I am very sorry for anyone who had abusive parents, God will give due justice, but YES, you SHALL forgive to be forgiven. This is a very missed point of Christianity, and women are way worse than this than men.
Realize times have changed, and the goal post has moved so far left, perceptions are anything but objectively correct.
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Punishment for 2's should be a switch to their leg or something.
No one in this thread is saying to "beat" a 2 year old.
Can you emotional women understand this, and stay in your lane please? I am very sorry for anyone who had abusive parents, God will give due justice, but YES, you SHALL forgive to be forgiven. This is a very missed point of Christianity, and women are way worse than this than men.
Realize times have changed, and the goal post has moved so far left, perceptions are anything but objectively correct.
You clearly have never experienced abuse from a parent. And men can be affected too. Imagine a man abused by his mom and/or dad and just sucking it up when he grows up. No, it’ll affect him for the rest of his life and even how he raises his future children.
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You clearly have never experienced abuse from a parent. And men can be affected too. Imagine a man abused by his mom and/or dad and just sucking it up when he grows up. No, it’ll affect him for the rest of his life and even how he raises his future children.
I understand, and I'm sorry. Still need to forgive.
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Punishment for 2's should be a switch to their leg or something.
No one in this thread is saying to "beat" a 2 year old.
Can you emotional women understand this, and stay in your lane please? I am very sorry for anyone who had abusive parents, God will give due justice, but YES, you SHALL forgive to be forgiven. This is a very missed point of Christianity, and women are way worse than this than men.
Realize times have changed, and the goal post has moved so far left, perceptions are anything but objectively correct.
Why not use waterboarding?
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Why not use waterboarding?
Waterboarding would be obvious child abuse.
When I say switch, I mean a light flick of a small switch on the back of a leg.
Take your projection elsewhere.
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You clearly have never experienced abuse from a parent. And men can be affected too. Imagine a man abused by his mom and/or dad and just sucking it up when he grows up. No, it’ll affect him for the rest of his life and even how he raises his future children.
It is called stop being a giant baby and a victim. Plenty of people were viciously beaten by their parents (and in some cases much worse) and end up normal. You control your own personality and temperament. Stop being gαy
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It is called stop being a giant baby and a victim. Plenty of people were viciously beaten by their parents (and in some cases much worse) and end up normal. You control your own personality and temperament. Stop being gαy
If you're trolling...[polite half-hearted smirk]
If you're serious... :laugh1::facepalm::laugh1::facepalm::laugh1::laugh1:. Sooner or later life will teach you better.