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Do you talk about EENS with others?
« on: November 07, 2023, 05:15:12 AM »
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  • Example, say you get a haircut and the topic of religion comes up, do you tell people that they are heretics and schismatics and that there is on salvation outside the Church? Say if your hairdresser is Anglican do you say to them they are on the path to hell and their religion is a false sect which teaches heresy? I understand we are not supposed to hide the truths of your faith and tolerate false idea but I don't know how to say these things to people without being 'rude', most likely they will either not care about the truth (covid made this obvious) or will be offended (and I know we should not care about human respect) and add sin to their sins.

    This is just one possible example, a supermarket cashier is another, basically how do you handle yourself as a Catholic around 'normal' people in your day to day life while not being a 'weak' Catholic?

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2023, 05:25:23 AM »
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  • Example, say you get a haircut and the topic of religion comes up, do you tell people that they are heretics and schismatics and that there is on salvation outside the Church?
    No.


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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2023, 05:35:44 AM »
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  • Example, say you get a haircut and the topic of religion comes up, do you tell people that they are heretics and schismatics and that there is on salvation outside the Church? Say if your hairdresser is Anglican do you say to them they are on the path to hell and their religion is a false sect which teaches heresy? I understand we are not supposed to hide the truths of your faith and tolerate false idea but I don't know how to say these things to people without being 'rude', most likely they will either not care about the truth (covid made this obvious) or will be offended (and I know we should not care about human respect) and add sin to their sins.

    This is just one possible example, a supermarket cashier is another, basically how do you handle yourself as a Catholic around 'normal' people in your day to day life while not being a 'weak' Catholic?
    To add to this, similarly with regards to homos and trans sexs do you tell them their behaviour is abominable before God and that they need to repent? If I say nothing won't that be hatred as I would mean I don't care about them going to hell?
    No.
    How are we supposed to help these people if we keep the truth from them?

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2023, 06:12:27 AM »
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  • Example, say you get a haircut and the topic of religion comes up, do you tell people that they are heretics and schismatics and that there is on salvation outside the Church? Say if your hairdresser is Anglican do you say to them they are on the path to hell and their religion is a false sect which teaches heresy? I understand we are not supposed to hide the truths of your faith and tolerate false idea but I don't know how to say these things to people without being 'rude', most likely they will either not care about the truth (covid made this obvious) or will be offended (and I know we should not care about human respect) and add sin to their sins.

    This is just one possible example, a supermarket cashier is another, basically how do you handle yourself as a Catholic around 'normal' people in your day to day life while not being a 'weak' Catholic?


    You don’t need to *look* for opportunities to spread the truth of the Faith. Wait for the opportunity to be presented to you. Don’t be confrontational, but be firm and exact. Remember, the Church didn’t send you or authorize you to preach.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2023, 06:14:52 AM »
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  • To add to this, similarly with regards to homos and trans sexs do you tell them their behaviour is abominable before God and that they need to repent? If I say nothing won't that be hatred as I would mean I don't care about them going to hell?How are we supposed to help these people if we keep the truth from them?
    First, one thing to always remember is that, just the same as you, they are where they're at because that's where they want to be. Also remember that were it not for the grace of God that you chose and choose to correspond with, you easily could be one of them who chose to reject those same graces - of their own free will.

    Also remember that they love it, they love what they are and they will argue for it and fight over it. Many of these homos / etc. literally and emphatically hate God. I mean they really, really hate God.

    We are not commissioned therefore not required to go about preaching - and because we are not commissioned we should not go about preaching. We speak our faith when the opportunity arises, but we don't walk up to some pink haired, tattooed pin head and tell him/her/it about EENS or that he/she/it's a sinner going to hell or must join the Catholic Church etc.

    There certainly are some times where you can and should, with prudence, speak of such things to strangers, but what we are bound first and foremost to worry about and take care of, is our selves and our own family that we don't face Almighty God's wrath at our own judgement, if we accomplish this we will be eternal successes....bishops and priests etc. are commissioned by the Church for the purpose of preaching for good reason.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2023, 06:43:14 AM »
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  • First, one thing to always remember is that, just the same as you, they are where they're at because that's where they want to be. Also remember that were it not for the grace of God that you chose and choose to correspond with, you easily could be one of them who chose to reject those same graces - of their own free will.

    Also remember that they love it, they love what they are and they will argue for it and fight over it. Many of these homos / etc. literally and emphatically hate God. I mean they really, really hate God.

    We are not commissioned therefore not required to go about preaching - and because we are not commissioned we should not go about preaching. We speak our faith when the opportunity arises, but we don't walk up to some pink haired, tattooed pin head and tell him/her/it about EENS or that he/she/it's a sinner going to hell or must join the Catholic Church etc.

    There certainly are some times where you can and should, with prudence, speak of such things to strangers, but what we are bound first and foremost to worry about and take care of, is our selves and our own family that we don't face Almighty God's wrath at our own judgement, if we accomplish this we will be eternal successes....bishops and priests etc. are commissioned by the Church for the purpose of preaching for good reason.
    Thanks for the answers to you and the other above. Regarding the bolded, What if ones relatives are lukewarm novus ordo catholic in name only and do not care and get can angry when you tell them the truth especially regarding their grave sins? Seems my family/extended is falling apart or at the very least increasing their distance from me.

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2023, 06:49:44 AM »
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  • Thanks for the answers to you and the other above. Regarding the bolded, What if ones relatives are lukewarm novus ordo catholic in name only and do not care and get can angry when you tell them the truth especially regarding their grave sins? Seems my family/extended is falling apart or at the very least increasing their distance from me.
    Most if not all of us are, sadly, in that same boat. Here's about a 7 minute sermon that gets right to the point that might be of interest.

     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2023, 06:58:59 AM »
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  • Example, say you get a haircut and the topic of religion comes up, do you tell people that they are heretics and schismatics and that there is on salvation outside the Church? Say if your hairdresser is Anglican do you say to them they are on the path to hell and their religion is a false sect which teaches heresy? I understand we are not supposed to hide the truths of your faith and tolerate false idea but I don't know how to say these things to people without being 'rude', most likely they will either not care about the truth (covid made this obvious) or will be offended (and I know we should not care about human respect) and add sin to their sins.

    This is just one possible example, a supermarket cashier is another, basically how do you handle yourself as a Catholic around 'normal' people in your day to day life while not being a 'weak' Catholic?

    I never bring it up out of the blue; only if the conversation leads to it.  A few times when the topic either came up or even marginally came up, I've had people ask directly, and then yes, I've had to say frankly that they need to become Catholic if they want to be saved.  I can't say it's ever come up with a check-out cashier.  But it has with coworkers. 


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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2023, 07:06:29 AM »
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  • Yes, we should talk about Jesus to anyone.  

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #9 on: November 07, 2023, 07:58:05 AM »
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  • It all depends on prudential considerations and the context.  It may or many not have any affect, and could have a negative affect if the person would conclude you're just nuts or whacky.  If religion does come up and some time has been spent on it, there may be an opportunity to bring it up.

    Problem is that these days, the Conciliar Church has undermined the normal apologetics one would use to demonstrate that the Catholic Church is the True Church founded by Christ.  That's the context necessary to have a pronouncement of EENS have any effect.  You have to lay the groundwork for WHY there's no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  This is typically done by establishing why the Catholic Church has the marks of the True Church founded by Christ.  Problem is that at the same time you have to explain that the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church because it lacks these marks.  Without the proper nuance, you're basically in the position of saying, the Catholic Church is the True Church founded by Christ and it was established as a rule of faith, to keep the truth and to prevent error ... except that the Conciliar Church has become a sewer of error.  To someone who doesn't have the right context, you're contradicting yourself.  Yeah, the Catholic Church remains uncorrupted by error, but pay no attention to that Conciliar Church thing.  So, of the Catholic Church could become corrupted into the Conciliar Church, what tells this person that it didn't become corrupted when the Prots say that it was?

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #10 on: November 07, 2023, 09:03:22 AM »
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  • Prudence also will help us to avoid taking these situations personally. If others resist or dispute what we say, it can turn into a matter of defending one's ego rather than of defending the truth. If others like what we say, it might be because we're actually telling them soothing or validating things that don't really fit God's truth. 

    For this reason, there's always prayer that others will come around to the Faith through Providence, not directly through our human efforts. And especially, there's ongoing prayer to the Holy Ghost for our own counsel and guidance in daily life.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #11 on: November 07, 2023, 09:11:48 AM »
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  • Lots of good points above.  I would only add that when opportunities arise know when to dust your sandals off and leave the rest to God.

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #12 on: November 07, 2023, 10:12:32 AM »
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  • Francis of Assisi reads, “Preach the gospel at all times and if necessary, use words.” 1 Implicit in this saying is the understanding that often the most powerful sermons are unspoken. When we have integrity and live consistently by our standards, people notice. When we radiate joy and happiness, they notice even more.

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #13 on: November 07, 2023, 12:33:27 PM »
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  • I have but when the opportunity has presented itself. I've had only a handful of cases, some have been occasions where the person was new to Christianity because he/she was secular and has been searching for God after some events in their life and were a little bit more comfortable discussing the subject. These handful of cases have been with people who just started or were casually going to protestant "establishments", let's put it that way. In all those cases, the people were open to hear what I was saying in regards to the Catholic Church.

    One of those people after couple of conversations, showed interest as he was raised Catholic but has for a long time been protestant. He told me what he remembers growing up hearing prayers in Latin and how his grandfather used to dress, specially for Church on Sundays. Of course I told him such traditional Catholic Churches and Chapels still exist  today and extended an invitation to join me and to learn more. This is still a work in progress but with great potential. He has a large family and it would be one of the greatest blessings if they one day, become Catholic.

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    Re: Do you talk about EENS with others?
    « Reply #14 on: November 07, 2023, 12:41:55 PM »
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  • Francis of Assisi reads, “Preach the gospel at all times and if necessary, use words.” 1 Implicit in this saying is the understanding that often the most powerful sermons are unspoken. When we have integrity and live consistently by our standards, people notice. When we radiate joy and happiness, they notice even more.
    Try finding a source, there is none.