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do you recognize Israel as legitimate

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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2017, 01:28:16 PM »
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  • "Let's see,"  indeed...
    So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #16 on: October 11, 2017, 01:31:48 PM »
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  • So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    Imperialistic Jєω "privilege?"


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #17 on: October 11, 2017, 03:50:34 PM »
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  • No argument from me on the theological point.  But what causes Israel to be politically "illegitimate"?  As I said, conquest has always been a legitimate means of creating or expanding a state, historically speaking.  Although Israel was created by the UN, they fought to make it a reality, and then conquered more lands to expand it.  Not pretty, but not "illegitimate" either.
    They were given land which was not the giver's to give.  When you are a custodian of someone else's property and you unlawfully give to a third party, that is nothing less than theft.  And besides the modern Jєωs are not a "people", they are a mongrelized alien race which has little connection to the ancient Hebrews and even less of a right to claim the Holy Land as their inheritance.
    In short, in temporal terms, legitimate is synonomous with lawfulness, and in the end what is and is not lawful issues from the natural law.
    Pius X would not recognize that entity because it was not legitimate, and its creation was a violation of God's law and decrees.  These things matter here among Christians, I would assume.

    You base your claim upon the UN recognizing them, but that is ludicrous because the UN is illigitimate in and of itself, and was created largly according to Jєωιѕн principles and under the influence and power of Jєωs and Masonry, then and now.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #18 on: October 11, 2017, 05:07:46 PM »
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  • So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    If we are going to go by this standard, then there are no countries in the world that are "legitimate" today.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #19 on: October 11, 2017, 06:06:57 PM »
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  • So the UN gave land that wasn’t theirs to give.  Whose land was it?  Certainly not the Arab Muslims, as they took it illegitimately from the Crusader states.  But of course the Crusaders took it from the Arabs.  But the Arabs took it from the Byzantines, who succeeded the Romans.  But the Romans took it from the Jєωs.  But the Jєωs revolted against the Seleucid Empire, who succeeded the Macedonians.  But the Macedonians took it from the Persians, and so on and so on and so on.

    So, whose land it is?


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 06:45:02 PM »
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  • Mine above,

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »
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  • "Io come capo della chiesa non posso dirle altra cosa. Gli Ebrei non hanno riconosciuto nostro Signore, perciò non possiamo riconoscere il popolo ebreo" -Pope St. Pius X



    As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people

    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 11:57:34 PM »
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  • If we are going to go by this standard, then there are no countries in the world that are "legitimate" today.
    1. Careful with words like "no", "none", "never" etc.
    2. If so, so what?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 12:01:54 AM »
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  • "Io come capo della chiesa non posso dirle altra cosa. Gli Ebrei non hanno riconosciuto nostro Signore, perciò non possiamo riconoscere il popolo ebreo" -Pope St. Pius X



    As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people
    "...therefore..."
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #24 on: February 25, 2018, 03:48:03 PM »
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  • Modern-day Israel is the fulfillment of prophesy.  To oppose Israel is to oppose the will of God, who has not abandoned "the Chosen People".  


    "I say then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew.

    ... For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in."  - Romans 11:1-25

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #25 on: February 25, 2018, 04:42:16 PM »
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  • AnthonyB, modern day Israel,is not populated with Israelites. Hang around and read more threads and you will come to understand that Israelis are not the Chosen People of God. The Jєωs rejected Jesus, and now that chosen-ness belongs to faithful Catholics.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #26 on: February 25, 2018, 04:53:42 PM »
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  • Modern-day Israel is the fulfillment of prophesy.  To oppose Israel is to oppose the will of God, who has not abandoned "the Chosen People".  

    There was a time when Marranos lurked in the shadows, but now they work in the light of day....

    Or perhaps, did your Rabbi put you up to this?

    Nevertheless, I'm sure Poche and graceseeker will welcome you with open arms...

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #27 on: February 26, 2018, 07:26:48 PM »
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  • AnthonyB, modern day Israel,is not populated with Israelites. Hang around and read more threads and you will come to understand that Israelis are not the Chosen People of God. The Jєωs rejected Jesus, and now that chosen-ness belongs to faithful Catholics.
    Although the Jєωs are no longer "the Chosen People", God has by no means abandoned them.  The re-birth of the nation of Israel (in 1948) and the conversion of the Jєωs to Christ are two necessary conditions for the Second Coming of Christ.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #28 on: February 26, 2018, 07:28:31 PM »
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  • There was a time when Marranos lurked in the shadows, but now they work in the light of day....

    Or perhaps, did your Rabbi put you up to this?


    I don't know any Rabbi.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #29 on: February 26, 2018, 11:38:29 PM »
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  • Although the Jєωs are no longer "the Chosen People", God has by no means abandoned them.  The re-birth of the nation of Israel (in 1948 and the conversion of the Jєωs to Christ are two necessary conditions for the Second Coming of Christ.
    God does not abandon the Jєωs, but they abandon Him and He does not force them. In fact, according to the Jєωιѕн law, Israel has no right to exist "until the Messiah returns" and those Jєωs who populate Israel are either atheist (and so don't believe in God's promise) or they are going against their belief in God's plan.
    The Catholic Church IS the new Israel and Jєωs must come into the Catholic Church if they are to be saved. Also the majority of the population of Israel are not descended from the Israelites but from the Kazars, a pagan nation who adopted Judaism as an political expedient about 700AD.
    Here is what St Paul has to say.

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    Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Romans   Chapter 9      
    The apostle's concern for the Jєωs. God's election is free and not confined to their nation.
     
    [1] I speak the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost: [2] That I have great sadness, and continual sorrow in my heart. [3] For I wished myself to be an anathema* from Christ, for my brethren, who are my kinsmen according to the flesh, [4] Who are Israelites, to whom belongeth the adoption as of children, and the glory, and the testament, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises: [5] Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.  [6] Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel:
    *[3] "Anathema": A curse. The apostle's concern and love for his countrymen the Jєωs was so great, that he was willing to suffer even an anathema, or curse, for their sake; or any evil that could come upon him, without his offending God.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.